Toxic healers

[Ilyrian]

What is up with the phenomenon of healers being ego maniacs?

'phenomenon' is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

[LaughingBanana]

Hahaha, last night I too encountered a Healer that pulled so many ahead when I'm still behind (leveling up Dark Knight) and then when they died they had the gall to say in Party Chat about how I should pull mobs that they are pulling, complete with a condescending "This Tank, LOL" comment.

We wiped but eeh, afterwards everything went smoothly.

As for that comment, I just ignored it. Why waste time getting bothered by something like that anyways :P

[Jaelommiss]

Sounds like the only thing that healer did wrong was bragging about his capabilities and letting you and the dps die once, though if you're the kind of tank to single pull it seems equally probable that you stood in an aoe or failed to mitigate properly. Pulling ahead isn't the kindest way of telling a tank that single pulling isn't acceptable in ShB dungeons, but it works. I can't fault him for pulling a boss to teleport you all there instead of forcing you to spend three times as long running back. I also don't see any problem with pushing on ahead while someone is afk. He's also not wrong to tell you that you need to learn to pull faster. If there are enemies left for the healer to pull then the tank has failed at pulling.

There are certainly more polite ways of getting the message across, but it seems hyperbolic to call his conduct toxic.

[Ilyrian]

.He's also not wrong to tell you that you need to learn to pull faster. If there are enemies left for the healer to pull then the tank has failed at pulling.

I agree to a point, but I find it better to adapt to the tank if he/she is clearly new/unsure of the dungeon.

[DynnDiablos]

Sounds like the only thing that healer did wrong was bragging about his capabilities and letting you and the dps die once, though if you're the kind of tank to single pull it seems equally probable that you stood in an aoe or failed to mitigate properly. Pulling ahead isn't the kindest way of telling a tank that single pulling isn't acceptable in ShB dungeons, but it works. I can't fault him for pulling a boss to teleport you all there instead of forcing you to spend three times as long running back. I also don't see any problem with pushing on ahead while someone is afk. He's also not wrong to tell you that you need to learn to pull faster. If there are enemies left for the healer to pull then the tank has failed at pulling.

There are certainly more polite ways of getting the message across, but it seems hyperbolic to call his conduct toxic.

Last time I checked the TANK sets the pace for a dungeon and if they aren't comfortable doing large pulls, they don't have to.

[Nestama]

Last time I checked the TANK sets the pace for a dungeon and if they aren't comfortable doing large pulls, they don't have to.

This is incorrect. The party overall sets the pace of the dungeon, not just the tank (for example: DPS control how fast things die. Healer manages the Tanks HP when required. Tank keeps everything on them and cycles through defensive CD's). So if the Healers and DPS want the tank to do wall to wall pulls (the expected norm), then the tank has to conform to the majority.

[Crushnight]

This didn't need its own thread we have tales of the duty finder megathread for precisely this level of venting.

That said I will address it.

No this is nothing new and 1 experience does not make it a phenomenon.

People have egos, everyone does, some are small, some are big, some are obnoxious, some are benign.

SE has allowed some egos to develop larger than they should, healers able to pull and handle everything without tanks in current content is one of those, because nothing on its own will kill if you obey mechanics, things are that weak hitting and healer kits continue to get bloated with more ogcd heals that it creates the scenario of who needs a tank for bosses. This can also go back and bite healers because guess what Pld gives up a fair amount of damage but they can solo current bosses, because SE will not up the amount tankbusters hit or their frequency because of the lowest common denominator.


Long gone are the days of the tank set the pace of the dungeon, the group collectively does, so 3/4 people decided that they can handle the boss without you the tank, it happens because it is allowed to by design.

We are also missing details did you tell them you had to go afk or did you just go(I would do the latter if I heard a long bang downstairs fearing a break in or someone getting hurt) thus them pulling boss might be due to timers and thinking your still there.

A healer pulling a pack more is an unsubtle nod to pull more, it is the worse way to communicate that intent and you should if it bothered you say something or that attitude will continue frustrating you more, however at Lv71 I expect full pulls with tanks as you have had 70 levels with pld and war, 41 levels with drk and 11 levels with gnb at that point(If you use jump potion it is on you to learn what you need to do to not be a hindrance to your group) to get fully used to your job and I audibly groan when I see baby pulls in any ShB dungeons, I don't like it but I will put up with them unless tank is a flat out hindrance where das boot incoming.

[Lumivyory]

Pulling ahead isn't the kindest way of telling a tank that single pulling isn't acceptable in ShB dungeons, but it works.

He's also not wrong to tell you that you need to learn to pull faster. If there are enemies left for the healer to pull then the tank has failed at pulling.

Who the f made these rules?
Unless I see a line in SE's user agreement that single pulling isn't acceptable - ANY kind of pulling is acceptable.
If the tank is new to the dungeon, doesn't have the best gear or is simply choosing to be more careful then let them tank the way they want or just discuss it with them in the chat.
I absolutely hate big pulls, they stress me out, especially after seeing people die on them numerous times. And this wastes more time than pulling normally.

Let people tank the way they want instead of forcing them into those "standards".

[Darsien]

Who the f made these rules?
Unless I see a line in SE's user agreement that single pulling isn't acceptable - ANY kind of pulling is acceptable.
If the tank is new to the dungeon, doesn't have the best gear or is simply choosing to be more careful then let them tank the way they want or just discuss it with them in the chat.
I absolutely hate big pulls, they stress me out, especially after seeing people die on them numerous times. And this wastes more time than pulling normally.

Let people tank the way they want instead of forcing them into those "standards".

It's ok. I'll be sure to have you kicked for wasting everyone's time if you single pull a late game dungeon. You refusing to get better on tank is directly harming my experience and is against my playstyle, so I have every right.

You'll get it eventually. <3

[Ilenya]

It's ok. I'll be sure to have you kicked for wasting everyone's time if you single pull a late game dungeon. You refusing to get better on tank is directly harming my experience and is against my playstyle, so I have every right.

You'll get it eventually. <3

Will you do this on a tank new to the dungeon? I personally like learning where things spawn my first time in, but I also do every new thing as a healer first.