Toxic healers

[Jaelommiss]

Sounds like the only thing that healer did wrong was bragging about his capabilities and letting you and the dps die once, though if you're the kind of tank to single pull it seems equally probable that you stood in an aoe or failed to mitigate properly. Pulling ahead isn't the kindest way of telling a tank that single pulling isn't acceptable in ShB dungeons, but it works. I can't fault him for pulling a boss to teleport you all there instead of forcing you to spend three times as long running back. I also don't see any problem with pushing on ahead while someone is afk. He's also not wrong to tell you that you need to learn to pull faster. If there are enemies left for the healer to pull then the tank has failed at pulling.

There are certainly more polite ways of getting the message across, but it seems hyperbolic to call his conduct toxic.

[Crushnight]

This didn't need its own thread we have tales of the duty finder megathread for precisely this level of venting.

That said I will address it.

No this is nothing new and 1 experience does not make it a phenomenon.

People have egos, everyone does, some are small, some are big, some are obnoxious, some are benign.

SE has allowed some egos to develop larger than they should, healers able to pull and handle everything without tanks in current content is one of those, because nothing on its own will kill if you obey mechanics, things are that weak hitting and healer kits continue to get bloated with more ogcd heals that it creates the scenario of who needs a tank for bosses. This can also go back and bite healers because guess what Pld gives up a fair amount of damage but they can solo current bosses, because SE will not up the amount tankbusters hit or their frequency because of the lowest common denominator.


Long gone are the days of the tank set the pace of the dungeon, the group collectively does, so 3/4 people decided that they can handle the boss without you the tank, it happens because it is allowed to by design.

We are also missing details did you tell them you had to go afk or did you just go(I would do the latter if I heard a long bang downstairs fearing a break in or someone getting hurt) thus them pulling boss might be due to timers and thinking your still there.

A healer pulling a pack more is an unsubtle nod to pull more, it is the worse way to communicate that intent and you should if it bothered you say something or that attitude will continue frustrating you more, however at Lv71 I expect full pulls with tanks as you have had 70 levels with pld and war, 41 levels with drk and 11 levels with gnb at that point(If you use jump potion it is on you to learn what you need to do to not be a hindrance to your group) to get fully used to your job and I audibly groan when I see baby pulls in any ShB dungeons, I don't like it but I will put up with them unless tank is a flat out hindrance where das boot incoming.

[Ilyrian]

.He's also not wrong to tell you that you need to learn to pull faster. If there are enemies left for the healer to pull then the tank has failed at pulling.

I agree to a point, but I find it better to adapt to the tank if he/she is clearly new/unsure of the dungeon.

[Lumivyory]

Pulling ahead isn't the kindest way of telling a tank that single pulling isn't acceptable in ShB dungeons, but it works.

He's also not wrong to tell you that you need to learn to pull faster. If there are enemies left for the healer to pull then the tank has failed at pulling.

Who the f made these rules?
Unless I see a line in SE's user agreement that single pulling isn't acceptable - ANY kind of pulling is acceptable.
If the tank is new to the dungeon, doesn't have the best gear or is simply choosing to be more careful then let them tank the way they want or just discuss it with them in the chat.
I absolutely hate big pulls, they stress me out, especially after seeing people die on them numerous times. And this wastes more time than pulling normally.

Let people tank the way they want instead of forcing them into those "standards".

[Jojoya]

What is up with the phenomenon of healers being ego maniacs?

I tanked a lvl 71 dung last night where the healer was a male roe with no clothes on and a suggestive name who kept pulling ahead of me. The third pull I died followed by the dps and he finished the last 2 mobs remaining solo and then proceeded to say he was very skilled and pulled the boss while me and the 2 other dps were still running back.

The second boss, I had to afk (I think i was afk for 2 minutes) because I heard a loud bang downstairs, and when I got back they (I’m assuming the healer) had pulled the boss and kept everyone alive, and once the boss died he said “having a tank is useless LMFAO” and sprinted & pulled every single pack until the last boss where he miraculously waited.

At the end of the dungeon he did a squat & push-up emote and told me I need to learn how to pull faster with an air kiss emote

I just had to share that experience because it was probably the most toxic person I’ve ever encountered in this game.

How does one bad experience make all healer toxic ego maniacs?

Especially when there are examples of tanks and DPS behaving the same way/

[LittleImp]

I've been pugging raids since HW, and I'd probably agree that healers stand out as the role that generally has the most... problematic players. I think I've removed more healers from my parties than any other role by far, and in most cases they've had bad attitudes. Lots of "I control who lives or dies, now the whole party must cater to me while I underperform!" types.

I think the nature of the role tends to attract people who want to feel needed or important; It also certainly doesn't help that the FFXIV community creates a lot of content involving really exaggerated healer worship.

[Violet_Galaxy]

What is up with the phenomenon of healers being ego maniacs?

I tanked a lvl 71 dung last night where the healer was a male roe with no clothes on and a suggestive name who kept pulling ahead of me. The third pull I died followed by the dps and he finished the last 2 mobs remaining solo and then proceeded to say he was very skilled and pulled the boss while me and the 2 other dps were still running back.

The second boss, I had to afk (I think i was afk for 2 minutes) because I heard a loud bang downstairs, and when I got back they (I’m assuming the healer) had pulled the boss and kept everyone alive, and once the boss died he said “having a tank is useless LMFAO” and sprinted & pulled every single pack until the last boss where he miraculously waited.

At the end of the dungeon he did a squat & push-up emote and told me I need to learn how to pull faster with an air kiss emote

I just had to share that experience because it was probably the most toxic person I’ve ever encountered in this game.

You met a jerk. Congrats. Report and move on.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Last expac it was entitled tanks to the point that their jobs were gutted and a lot of other jobs homogenized so they could no longer enable this behavior. In Stormblood, tank optimization required the party to mitigate their own enmity and there are pages and pages in the Duty Finder thread of tanks going into God-Mode if you pulled aggro from them or refused to use your mitigation skills to enable that style of play.

Again, a lot of this is just...jerks but since that behavior was nominally supported the magical word of OPTIMIZATION, a lot of people viewed it as acceptable and even defended it; even when people were getting shirked or left for dead in duties if you stepped a toe out of line.

I feel like Green Healing has moved in to fill that spot but a lot of that is backlash over the stripping and/or redistribution of skills that had once made each healing job unique. Now it's meh. By pretty much everyone's admission.

That person might have been skilled but they were garbage socially and likely the reason why they ran from fight to fight was to prevent you from vote-kicking. As other have suggested, either report or blacklist that person and never have to worry about them again.

[Darsien]

Who the f made these rules?
Unless I see a line in SE's user agreement that single pulling isn't acceptable - ANY kind of pulling is acceptable.
If the tank is new to the dungeon, doesn't have the best gear or is simply choosing to be more careful then let them tank the way they want or just discuss it with them in the chat.
I absolutely hate big pulls, they stress me out, especially after seeing people die on them numerous times. And this wastes more time than pulling normally.

Let people tank the way they want instead of forcing them into those "standards".

It's ok. I'll be sure to have you kicked for wasting everyone's time if you single pull a late game dungeon. You refusing to get better on tank is directly harming my experience and is against my playstyle, so I have every right.

You'll get it eventually. <3

[MsMisato]

How did you tank holminster switch when you don't have a tank at level 70? Assuming you're not an alt.

I would assume its an alt. You have to manual switch your toon here on the forum. I have a crap to of alts I play back and forth all.