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  1. #11
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    The problem is, giving MCH something as effective as a raise would see it's DPS plummet like RDM.
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    The problem is, giving MCH something as effective as a raise would see it's DPS plummet like RDM.
    What's MCH got left to lose?


    Also, RDM's never not had Verraise, and yet its DPS (be it rDPS or aDPS) relative to other damage-dealers has only steadily increased.
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  3. #13
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    AvenoMatt's Avatar
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    Avnus Vabruyt
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    Diabolos
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    Machinist Lv 90
    On mobile so can't edit.

    As for not wanting this on MCH since RDM is kinda expected to to raise and waste their MP on it. SMN also has a raise but isn't expected to raise all the time and doesn't sacrifice DPS because of it. RDM only suffers because of how easy it is for them to raise. They doesn't have to worry about a long cast time like SMN does, they are able to get multiple raises out quick which SMN can't, and MP on RDM and SMN our important they don't have to worry too much is they manage it properly and use Lucid on CD.

    Overall I see MCH being in the same boat as SMN and not RDM. Yes my initial though of this Raise would be that it has a 10s CD and is instant making it easy to pull off but it requires Battery which you need to build first, it also takes away battery from Queen causing her to be delayed which is a hit to your DPS as where for RDM it's one GCD. Also as for how much Battery it would need to be used on it idk but I would imagine enough that it wouldn't be too hard to build up enough to use but enough that it can be punishing to your dps and should be looked at as a tool to use if needed but not something so easy to use that it's almost a requirement you use it in place of others, like RDM and their raise.
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    Last edited by AvenoMatt; 09-24-2020 at 07:14 PM.

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    LeonKeyh's Avatar
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    Leon Keyh
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    I would say, just because there's a possible thematic explanation for it doesn't mean that it should happen. I'm not sure a defibrillator actually fits in the lore anyway (and definitely doesn't fit as a means of reviving someone in this instance). Also, I don't know the damage numbers on Queen, but my guess is that it would never be worth not resurrecting someone versus using the Queen. I don't see someone holding onto battery in case somebody dies, and I just see people bitching because the machinist wasn't paying attention and ended up doing DPS (their job) instead of rezzing someone with the battery they had.

    I definitely see arguing that MCH could do with some more support, but I don't think this is it.
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  5. #15
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    ItMe's Avatar
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    THE BIG QUESTION IS:
    If your rez is a defibrillator... do you have no be next to the dead person to revive them?
    Because if it's a melee range revive I'd never even put it on my hotbar.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    THE BIG QUESTION IS:
    If your rez is a defibrillator... do you have no be next to the dead person to revive them?
    Because if it's a melee range revive I'd never even put it on my hotbar.
    just a big ole raising drill.

    Reassemble it for no Death Penalty.
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  7. #17
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    AvenoMatt's Avatar
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    Avnus Vabruyt
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post
    I would say, just because there's a possible thematic explanation for it doesn't mean that it should happen. I'm not sure a defibrillator actually fits in the lore anyway (and definitely doesn't fit as a means of reviving someone in this instance). Also, I don't know the damage numbers on Queen, but my guess is that it would never be worth not resurrecting someone versus using the Queen. I don't see someone holding onto battery in case somebody dies, and I just see people bitching because the machinist wasn't paying attention and ended up doing DPS (their job) instead of rezzing someone with the battery they had.

    I definitely see arguing that MCH could do with some more support, but I don't think this is it.
    I can where you are coming from but ppl would have to realise that it's not an ability you can store and save for whenever with the way battery and queen work. Queen takes all battery when used and they can't expect the MCH to hold off on queen potentially over filling in battery just because someone might die. This makes it an ability to use if you can and not something to rely on.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    THE BIG QUESTION IS:
    If your rez is a defibrillator... do you have no be next to the dead person to revive them?
    Because if it's a melee range revive I'd never even put it on my hotbar.
    So I put in a comment earlier that I see this skill having a 5y range since it basically would be the same as using a defibrillator but like the person before said it could also be a 15y ranged shot at the target like other raises but I would prefer if the target didn't raise next to the MCH since it's not magic.

    Overall I don't expect this to get added into the game nor expect any players to like the idea. This was simply an idea I had that I wanted to share and see what others thought of it.
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  8. #18
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    THE BIG QUESTION IS:
    If your rez is a defibrillator... do you have no be next to the dead person to revive them?
    Because if it's a melee range revive I'd never even put it on my hotbar.
    It would obviously be a drone or device of some kind. They already have several mini-devices in the animations for some of the DPS skills.
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  9. #19
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    Renkei Fukai
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    Midgardsormr
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    at this current rate they might as well if they don't add some abilities back that have cast times. it would just have to have a long cooldown.
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    Arctura Fengari
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 90
    This type of a rez would be amazing on a chemist healer.
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