Remove damage from movement skills

[Esmoire]

I do feel there is a lot of room for creativity with it.

What they did this expansion is give a bunch of jobs multiple gap closer charges, so you can almost always hold one. I think this is a fine solution, but I don't think they had to copy + paste this across like 3 of the tanks.

Other ways about it:

• GCD gap closer, with a CD or otherwise. It kind of resolves itself by opportunity cost; if anything would need a higher potency.
• As a modification of the above, roll it into a GCD already used. RDM is a good example, where I wouldn't mind if the first attack of the enchanted combo closed the gap for you.
• Gap closer with a minimum distance. It's not worth it to make distance to use it, but when you actually have to get in it's basically always there for you. Has the baggage of being a button you might not use in some fights.
• An existing solution I like is what they did with WAR. You spend a resource for it, but get what you pay for. It's the best at actually closing a gap when you have the gauge for it. Maybe tune it a bit next expansion but that aside.
• Instant positional actions that don't use FFXIV's terrible ground targeting system. Elusive Jump is better than Shikuchi if not just because it's responsive.
• Wouldn't mind if we had a melee job that charges forward like 15y but stopped on impact with an enemy.

Either way I do not want them to go like... hey, we have this solution for the problem, let's apply it to 10 jobs. One of Shadowbringer's biggest problems IMO is excessive homogeneity. I get why that happens, because they found a solution that can solve a design problem that exists across jobs, or because it's easier to balance jobs that way, but I'd like more individual flavour and bold design decisions when it's reasonable.

[ADVSS]

I do feel there is a lot of room for creativity with it.

What they did this expansion is give a bunch of jobs multiple gap closer charges, so you can almost always hold one. I think this is a fine solution, but I don't think they had to copy + paste this across like 3 of the tanks.


Either way I do not want them to go like... hey, we have this solution for the problem, let's apply it to 10 jobs. One of Shadowbringer's biggest problems IMO is excessive homogeneity. I get why that happens, because they found a solution that can solve a design problem that exists across jobs, or because it's easier to balance jobs that way, but I'd like more individual flavour and bold design decisions when it's reasonable.

Yeah the homogeny is great in ShB. I think its like, they didnt want one specific line up to be better than any other line up in raids etc, and by doing so they inevitably made 1 specific line up better than any line up. Personally I am ok with class/job identity, but to be honest if they want every job to be able to perform the same or similar, this is what we get stuck with. Would like to see it differently, but i guess that ship sailed during Heavensward tbh. Some for the better(PLD getting buffed as a result of the oopsies) while others...not so much. Anyone play monk these days? havent seen one in DF since i resubbed

[jamjeeshoul77]

Play better then

What’s your problem? Why the completely unneeded passive aggressive one liner?

I addressed that in my post. I get that there’s a skill cap involved with deciding to save the ability for upcoming movement vs using it for dps, but I personally think there’s already enough “should I save this” stuff with party buffs, phase transitions, etc

[StriderShinryu]

While I don't necessarily agree for corps-a-corps as it's more of an intended part of the RDM skill set than it is a gap closer, I actually generally agree with the topic. It really does feel like to maximize damage you're forced to use your gap closer skills when they're not really intended to be used just because of the damage they provide.

[Mirhd]

Seems more like a personal issue than anything, imo. "It exists, therefore I must use it!" I ignore them unless I need to move (Corps-a-corps aside, as mentioned), because that's what they're there for. If others think I'm trash for not using Plunge/Rough Divide/etc., whenever available, so be it - I couldn't care less.

[Morningstar1337]

While I don't necessarily agree for corps-a-corps as it's more of an intended part of the RDM skill set than it is a gap closer, I actually generally agree with the topic. It really does feel like to maximize damage you're forced to use your gap closer skills when they're not really intended to be used just because of the damage they provide.

With Corps-a-corps, that issue could be fixed by gating it behind a mana requirement (with or without consuming mana, AFAIK the Enchanted combo uses 80 of both leaving 20 leftover if the bards were filled)

[Destati]

They did that with Repelling Shot, and I'm still rolling my eyes over how they removed the damage (and knockback?) from Fluid Aura. No. Thank you.

[Shurrikhan]

As long as they've multiple charges, and especially if there's no perfectly syncable damage buff CD for them to be obliged into (Embolden, for instance, does not affect Corps a Corps, as it's merely physical damage), I prefer that damage remain a part of them so I actually have to use them occasionally. Yes, that's even true for Displacement.