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  1. #1
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    Morningstar1337's Avatar
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    Aurora Aura
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    Exodus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80

    Would you want the Firmament to be a feature for future expansions?

    Alright, The Ishgard Restoration arc has quite a few interesting qualities. the first being a perpetual hint towards a new housing distric, the eponymous Firmament, but it also seems to serve otherpurposes besides.

    1. The most obvious being giving the Disciplines of the Hand and Land something to do besides script farming...while adding another type of script to farm, butthat's besides the point. In essence being a form of endgame for crafters and gatherers, which is helped by them having Relic Tools associated with the Restoration (but not requring engaging with it)
    2. However it also served as a sequel to Heavensward, showing what has happened in Ishgard since the content that debuted there, which is further strengthened by cameos of charterers such as the Defarm and the adventurers/fanclub first seen around the Vishap battle, not to mention the family reunion of sorts.
    3. They also used the opportunity to bright forth some new glamours and even new dyes.
    So with all that said would you like this model of content to be repeated for future expansions, like a say 6.0 brings the Firmament as a new district while having a follow-up to Stormblood that is working towards housing in Ala Mhigo. Followed by 7.0 bringing out housing in Ala Mhigo followed by an arc towards housing on the First? All of which while advancing the storylines of the associated locations?
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Personally I would like progression of areas to be mostly based around my own actions, but I think locking the maximum progress around the community would be neat (such that the community has to work together to improve the area, and those participating live would just be moving the area along as natural, but those coming in later could experience the area growing as is natural to their own story / journey). Like if the area progresses with the story it would feel better than if I first came into HW and Ishgard is in ruins but 'hah look at this spotless pretty area'.

    Beyond that comment though yeah I think progression is cool. I do hope they continue and improve the Ishgard concept, and if they don't join the personal with the community then I do also hope they will do a Doma concept again sometime (and ideally bring it closer into the main content, maybe not 'required' but be more of a center and pushed piece).

    I've this feeling that there could be an interesting and valuable restoration (/expansion of the area) project for that one final zone in ShB, where you're tasked with creating and maintaining a great museum / library. Perhaps linking it with Archelogy (/chocobo hot and cold) content. Someone in that final area following their 'previous' calling to catalog and record history, meanwhile you having to help maintain the stability of the area in general as well (else the area's strength may wane). Remembering us. May also be able to bind it to another loot and glamour system alternative I had suggested, the crystal library and forge, (sort of a functional compromise) where when you complete a catalog of a certain area you unlock the glamours of that area (turn in X essences of a specific dungeon unlocks the glamours of the whole dungeon, this means instead of storing ~20+ items per content SE only has to store 1 boolean variable).

    Also going back to the first point if they combine the personal with the community aspect then they can combine resources for content like Doma Reconstruction into community efforts (meaning it can be even bigger scale, since it would be taking two concepts and empowering them together). Of course some people will prefer changes that go on without them, but my bias is not to that (not that I'll rage if it is the case, never raged about Ishgard- just stating my bias modification of it) and that I think it's more fun when "I" do something in the game world than if "you" did it (unless we're in a fight together, then shine one mate lol). Also means it can tie in with the story better, since it could take queues off the story (and of course they can always have both types of content separate, they don't need to be blended together).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 09-22-2020 at 02:43 PM.

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    Fynlar Eira
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    Hyperion
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Unless it is streamlined and made a lot clearer than it currently is, I wouldn't care.

    I mean, clearly enough other people engage with it just fine so I wouldn't just want to say none of them should be allowed to have similar content in the future just because I don't get it, but it also means I'm just not going to bother with it, which is already what I do with multiple sorts of content in this game (current ex/savage, hunts, a lot of Gold Saucer stuff, etc...)

    You know how one of the Firmament NPCs themselves, while explaining the system, basically lampshades how convoluted it is? When I heard that I was basically telling myself "yeah, no kidding" and knew I couldn't be bothered to try to figure it out.

    Krile made a similar comment in Eureka with regard to its magicite system, which I know a lot of other players harped on.

    Generally speaking, if the game/developers themselves feel like they have to throw in a dialog line about how overly and unnecessarily complex their system is, it's usually a good sign I won't find it enjoyable to engage with.
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    Barraind Faylestar
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    Coeurl
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Balanced a bit better, sure.

    The xp rewards are absurdly high, and the competition needs... work.

    But the alternative methods to acquire materia, dye, ect is solid.
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    I wouldn't mind similar content in the future, though I feel like it should just be used as a "catch-up" option for DoL/H classes as opposed to the absolute best way of leveling up through the current level cap.

    I'd really like to see the Derelicts in Eulmore get built up into a proper town so the poor can have a place live like the Firmament did with Ishgard.
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    Berteaux Braumegain
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    While I personally don't care for the region, a similar location for Ala Mhigo would probably be nice. Kinda bothered me that we got Doman Restoration, but nothing similar for the likewise decrepit Aldenard.
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    Last edited by Berteaux_Braumegain; 09-24-2020 at 07:09 PM.

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    Blackiron Tarkus
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    Leviathan
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    Marauder Lv 90
    A mix between the doman enclave and Ishgard would be ideal where its a combination of solo progress but with server-wide progress there to help those who aren't really interested or struggling, but at a slower rate obviously compared to solo turn ins. I imagine town building content similar to dark cloud or even animal crossing would help engagement metrics in this game.
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    Loud Jungle
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    Sargatanas
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    If we get to rebuild Ala Mhigo and make it a real city state, yes. Ala Mhigo got blindsided by Kugane in Stormblood.
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    Warrior Lv 53
    The type of content? Yes.
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 91
    I would only want it, if its like the Doman one but instead of selling them rubbish we create the items. (So kinda a combination of Doma and Ishgard) So with that you are truly seeing the changes you do by yourself instead of maybe taking a break or starting the game later and never seeing it..but getting the quests for that..
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