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    MMOs usually require different training if I'm not mistaken usually why they need more people for it.
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    Stunning insight and a well-reasoned argument.
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    "FFXIV stole from FFXVI" is factually incorrect.

    FFXIV's current development involves more work/budget/developers than ever before, but the game has gotten larger from patch to patch, expansion to expansion. When a game expands vertically, like with increasing the level cap, that's one thing. But when it expands horizontally, like adding more races or Jobs that need custom content (headgear for new heads, Job gear for new jobs), the workload expands into new areas of required support and maintenance, meaning support for other things must get dropped.

    They have hit a point in the game's development where, for every utterly new feature or innovation they make to the game, somewhere else in the game, something is left undeveloped. Yoshi-P made a post about this at the beginning of Shadowbringers, when he was discussing the reasons why there aren't two genders for the new races. Problems of time and budget cannot be solved by hiring more people and throwing more bodies at the problem, because literally everything they do has a cost in time and QA, and in order for the game to maintain its high standards, they can't exceed a certain amount of development.

    So they focus on making high quality content, but know their limits and don't exceed those, either in their budget of time, or money, all of which includes QA testing and management.

    So yes, it has led to things which I find to be very objectionable. I don't like that they put new races into the game unfinished. I don't like that Dancer and Gunbreaker are missing ultimate weapons and many equivalent primal glamours other Jobs get. I think the decision to go without these features in order to stick to the work / QA budget is questionable in some places and just flat out wrong in others.

    I am not apologizing for them, but nonetheless, I 100% understand the decision.

    In essence, Division 3 can't be the reason FFXIV is lacking features, because if they took that entire team and put it to work on FFXIV, it would increase their QA/developmental overhead beyond the limits of FFXIV's update/QA/budget structure.

    You can't fix these problems by simply throwing more money or bodies at them. They are problems of horizontal expansion, of adding more lateral rather than vertical content to the game.
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    Last edited by Floortank; 09-22-2020 at 10:31 AM.

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    They go by Creative Development Divisions now I think
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    When I click a thread, I immediately go from the 1st, to the last page to see if it even has anything to do with the Op.

    I was not disappointed.
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    I say good for Yoshi P, the new game is in safe hands. Some people seem to forget that Yoshi P is not machine, he is a person, noone wants to be restricted to just one project. Everyone strives to develop themselves and take on new challenges.

    And actually Square Enix are a business they can do what they like with the money they earn from FFXIV, and not to mention the fact that there are separate dev teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTX3080 View Post
    We now have evidence that FF16 is the reason why we have only one dungeon per patch, no new deep dungeon, a delayed exploratory zone (Bozja), less and less glamours, still no female Hrothgar or male Viera, no Hrothgar and Viera headgear...

    It's because all the resources generated by hard working FF14 players are leeched off and used to make FF16. People guessed that it would be FF7 remake but they're actually wrong. It's FF16. A director cannot simultaneously work on two games and talent in FF14 should not be poached off to work on FF16. We paid for FF14 not for FF16.
    Assuming you are indeed correct in your assertions that FF16 has been siphoning development resources from FF14 (something which is not a given), then what is your point? Do you want SE to stop development of FF16 or what?
    Oh, and that the money players spend on FF14 goes towards the development of other games shouldn't be a surprise to anyone nor controversial. Game companies have to fund the development of new games somehow, and using the income from old games to fund the development of new games seem like an obvious way to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    Assuming you are indeed correct in your assertions that FF16 has been siphoning development resources from FF14 (something which is not a given), then what is your point? Do you want SE to stop development of FF16 or what?
    Oh, and that the money players spend on FF14 goes towards the development of other games shouldn't be a surprise to anyone nor controversial. Game companies have to fund the development of new games somehow, and using the income from old games to fund the development of new games seem like an obvious way to do it.
    It wasn't in the Terms of Service
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    Assuming you are indeed correct in your assertions that FF16 has been siphoning development resources from FF14 (something which is not a given), then what is your point? Do you want SE to stop development of FF16 or what?
    Oh, and that the money players spend on FF14 goes towards the development of other games shouldn't be a surprise to anyone nor controversial. Game companies have to fund the development of new games somehow, and using the income from old games to fund the development of new games seem like an obvious way to do it.
    He/She is a troll, that is his/her point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    It's most likely new hires or shuffled from Square enix's other departments, as opposed to XIV's core development team. Could they have borrowed some of the Senior staff for quality assurance? Definitely, it wouldn't really affect FFXIV too much. As senior staff's job is mostly the managing part where they supervise code quality, art quality, 3D art quality, and cross referencing; and procedures.

    The real "blue collar workers," you know, the ones actually doing the 3D art and coding wouldn't all of a sudden have 2 jobs. The company would get sued or they'd have to pay them double the salary.
    One positive from all of this is that if it's new hires they might be able to keep them after they finish FFXVI and bring them into FFXIV for added operations.

    PS. Nice username, I'm gonna sell one of my livers for an RTX 3080 next year.
    They won't being them back into ff14... They'll go make the next ff mmo
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