What's up with the other members of the Convocation? (Spoilers)

[Starkbeaumont]

what I always wondered shouldn't there be a sundered ascian part on each world like with our character as well? If Igeyorhm we killed in Azys Lla was from the Source she should have been rejoined 7 times. Apparently Ardbert and co killed all Ascians of the First. that would still leave 5 pieces of Igeyorhm around (maybe 4, depends how the 13th acts in this case).
Or do all pieces get erased when the Source piece is gone?

Also is Hydaelyn also sundered or is she present on all worlds?

[Kesey]

what I always wondered shouldn't there be a sundered ascian part on each world like with our character as well? If Igeyorhm we killed in Azys Lla was from the Source she should have been rejoined 7 times. Apparently Ardbert and co killed all Ascians of the First. that would still leave 5 pieces of Igeyorhm around (maybe 4, depends how the 13th acts in this case).
Or do all pieces get erased when the Source piece is gone?

Also is Hydaelyn also sundered or is she present on all worlds?

Hydaelyn is present on all worlds, as she created the sundering that split them.

And outside means like white auracite need to be used to disrupt the aether of the Ascians and send them on to death by joining the lifestream (otherwise they can come back). Other ways the plot has used are to absorb the Ascian's aether is to summon a primal or channel it through the crystal tower out to space.

[Cilia]

what I always wondered shouldn't there be a sundered ascian part on each world like with our character as well? If Igeyorhm we killed in Azys Lla was from the Source she should have been rejoined 7 times. Apparently Ardbert and co killed all Ascians of the First. that would still leave 5 pieces of Igeyorhm around (maybe 4, depends how the 13th acts in this case).
Or do all pieces get erased when the Source piece is gone?

Also is Hydaelyn also sundered or is she present on all worlds?

Someone else jogged my memory - sundered Ascians aren't necessarily created using the soul fragments of their former station holders, though they are preferable to using random people. While Azem's seems to have lacked the feature, the implication is that the memory crystals more or less force the identity of the Convocation seat holder onto people.

Logically speaking there may be sundered Ascian fragments on the various worlds, but the cycle of souls may still be in play as it is for Azem and lead to them being reincarnated. Either way, their deaths (body and soul) wouldn't stop the unsundered from raising up pliant mortals.

(I suspect this has something to do with Fandaniel's... eccentric personality.)

Hydaelyn is present on all worlds, and is the same being across them. (Kinda. She's not actually summoned, just kinda floating around the aetherial sea.)

[Starkbeaumont]

the aetherial sea.)

this is where we end up after Antitower? not really related to the topic but wouldn't that technically be a way to travel to the other worlds?

[Rosenstrauch]

this is where we end up after Antitower? not really related to the topic but wouldn't that technically be a way to travel to the other worlds?

From what I understand, during those moments where the WoL appears in the aetherial sea, our physical body remains in the location they were at before such scenes. In other words, while the Word of the Mother is chatting with us, our body is just sort of hanging out in the Antitower.

So while we probably could travel to other worlds this way, we'd have to leave our physical body behind to do so. Only the Exarch has managed to circumvent that limitation, both in his initial departure from the Eighth Era to the First and in his subsequent summoning of the WoL from the Source to the First. Even then, his first half-dozen attempts all backfired horribly—The first five attempts ended up pulling the Scions' souls out of their bodies instead, and the sixth attempt left the WoL's comatose body just a few fulms away from Elidibus-Zenos.

[Vyrerus]

That it is. We also travel there briefly after the showdown with the Warriors of Darkness in 3.4 to feed Hydaelyn enough Light aether to free Minfilia and send her to the First.

Not sure if it can be used to traverse worlds. Nothing has said it can do so thus far.

They don't expound on it, and it seems to be driven by Minfilia's help, but the WoDs leave for The First from there using their Crystals of Light, as they did with Elidibus's aid when they committed sudoku.

From what I understand, during those moments where the WoL appears in the aetherial sea, our physical body remains in the location they were at before such scenes. In other words, while the Word of the Mother is chatting with us, our body is just sort of hanging out in the Antitower.

So while we probably could travel to other worlds this way, we'd have to leave our physical body behind to do so. Only the Exarch has managed to circumvent that limitation, both in his initial departure from the Eighth Era to the First and in his subsequent summoning of the WoL from the Source to the First. Even then, his first half-dozen attempts all backfired horribly—The first five attempts ended up pulling the Scions' souls out of their bodies instead, and the sixth attempt left the WoL's comatose body just a few fulms away from Elidibus-Zenos.

This is actually a grey area for the game, because when we go with the WoDs using our Crystals of Light, everyone is teleported along with us, and we are shown teleporting back into Southern Thanalan. When we're sent back from the first Word encounter, we're straight teleported back to Matoya's Cave. While it doesn't discredit the notion that we'd need to renounce our flesh to world hop, going to the aetherial sea was done with our bodies intact and present in the sea itself.

The aetherial sea seems to be the space between the sundered worlds, but I assume traversing it is not so simple.

[Cilia]

this is where we end up after Antitower? not really related to the topic but wouldn't that technically be a way to travel to the other worlds?

That it is. We also travel there briefly after the showdown with the Warriors of Darkness in 3.4 to feed Hydaelyn enough Light aether to free Minfilia and send her to the First.

Not sure if it can be used to traverse worlds. Nothing has said it can do so thus far.

[Draginhikari]

Someone else jogged my memory - sundered Ascians aren't necessarily created using the soul fragments of their former station holders, though they are preferable to using random people. While Azem's seems to have lacked the feature, the implication is that the memory crystals more or less force the identity of the Convocation seat holder onto people.

Logically speaking there may be sundered Ascian fragments on the various worlds, but the cycle of souls may still be in play as it is for Azem and lead to them being reincarnated. Either way, their deaths (body and soul) wouldn't stop the unsundered from raising up pliant mortals.

(I suspect this has something to do with Fandaniel's... eccentric personality.)

Hydaelyn is present on all worlds, and is the same being across them. (Kinda. She's not actually summoned, just kinda floating around the aetherial sea.)

I thought my understanding was that the shards of the other Convocation members reincarnate through the life cycle similar to our Character and it is those shards the Ascians seek out and use the crystals to awaken their memories to restore them to their station.

Though given that Hythlodaeus said about the crystals not being concepts, being too incomplete to completely restore someone, I image exposing an Shard to these incomplete memories have unintended consequences of resulting in warping the personality of the target which would be why the Unsundered were necessary to keep in line if Fandaniel's reaction is anything to go off of. Unless Fandaniel himself was already warped during the gathering of the crystals his message is slightly more.... incomplete from the others messages we saw.

[Veloran]

Each Lifestream is attached to the Aetherial Sea. This much is apparent due to Minfilia getting sucked into the Flow teleportation magic that spirits her through the Lifestream to the Aetherial Sea. And it is where Hydaelyn resides and keeps watch on all shards, so yes, it is.

The aetherial sea is the Lifestream, and the Lifestreams of each Shard are not connected for very obvious reasons. We have no reason to think Hydaelyn residing in the aetherial sea on the Source means that said sea is linked to the Shards.

Tenzen's soul was apparently bound up in Koryu's seal, so he can't have been an incarnation either.

In regards to both Tenzen and Ramza, we have some reasons to believe that apparitions of certain souls may be due to things like residual aether, or the manifestation of ambient aether through will similar to summonings. I think this was stated to be the case in a few instances of when we see certain spirits. Haurchefant and Ysayle on the Final Steps of Faith come to mind here, but I may be misremembering.

[Vyrerus]

The aetherial sea is the Lifestream, and the Lifestreams of each Shard are not connected for very obvious reasons. We have no reason to think Hydaelyn residing in the aetherial sea on the Source means that said sea is linked to the Shards.


In regards to both Tenzen and Ramza, we have some reasons to believe that apparitions of certain souls may be due to things like residual aether, or the manifestation of ambient aether through will similar to summonings. I think this was stated to be the case in a few instances of when we see certain spirits. Haurchefant and Ysayle on the Final Steps of Faith come to mind here, but I may be misremembering.

No, it's something different. Basically, Lifestreams are roils of souls that are essentially copies of the original(Ye Olde Pre-Sundered Lifestream), as the shards themselves are, whereas the Aetherial Sea is the gulf of the whole. Think about it like continents or islands, with rivers that lead out to the ocean. A river has its own current, its own water type, unique tributaries, life, and size. If a river leads out to sea, the only thing they have in common is the water, but even that changes once you get out to sea, from fresh to salt. Only in this case aether is the water. This is why we can teleport from The Source to The First using aetherytes.