What's up with the other members of the Convocation? (Spoilers)

[Lium]

Instead of hiding everything behind spoiler tags I'm just going to warn anyone that hasn't played Shadowbringers to leave now if you don't want to be spoiled. Because I'm going to get into some spoiler material. This way everyone can post freely.

You've been warned.

Okay. So, we know about four members of the Convocation: Lahabrea, Emet-Selch, Elidibus and Azem. Possibly five with Venat, who became Hydaelyn's heart. But has it been mentioned anywhere what become of the other nine or 10 members?

I ask because they could still pose a rather significant threat. They were all sundered, of course, but they've also been seven times Rejoined. We've seen the power of Convocation members by not only looking at the three Unsundered, but also just looking at ourselves. We are Azem, eight times Rejoined (including Ardbert). And look at the power we hold.

I feel like this could be a major plot point in future storylines. Convocation Ascians have robust souls and great power. Unless of course, these were past Warriors of Light? Perhaps Zenos is one of the Convocation members, which is why he is always dreaming about the Final Days?

[Yuella]

I think it's because Elidibus took over his body and when he left, there's some ascian essence remain in the body.

[ObsidianFire]

Venat was never on the Convocation. We don't know where they are from. Same thing goes for everyone else on Venat's side.

What happened with the other 10 Convocation members was that they helped summon Zoidark and got Tempered by him. And then were sundered along with everyone else when Zoidark was sundered (as was the rest of the world at the same time). That Lahabrea, Emet-Sech and Elidibus didn't get sundered is... very odd. And I very much hope it is gone into what happened that they were not sundered.

What seems to have happened since then is that as the sundered Convocation members were reborn, the Unsundered Ascians found them and used the memorial stones they had made of them to restore their memories of their past life. Probably utilizing the Echo to smooth things over. Now that the memorial stones are gone, no more Ascians can be given their memories of the time before the sundering, so there will never be anymore Ascian overlords.

That still means there's plenty of lower ranked Ascians that can posses dead bodies and the like. But the days of Ascians who can escape to the Rift or posses living bodies will end assuming the WoL manages to kill the rest of the Overlords off for good. Goodness knows we're closer to doing that than ever before.

[Cilia]

For those not in the know, the Convocation of Fourteen are all named after the Scions of Light mentioned in the Espers' bios from XII with three exceptions: neither Zodiark nor Ultima have counterparts, so Zodiark's representative in this game is Elidibus (in Tactics a sorcerer who held the Ophiuchus stone, letting him summon Zodiark) and Ultima's is named Altima, a corruption of her name used in the original translation of Tactics. Azem is the only truly original one.

Most of them have played some role in the story, sundered or otherwise. Only Deudalaphon remains completely unaccounted for at the moment.

It's never been said explicitly, but given only Lahabrea, Emet-Selch, and Elidibus escaped Hydaelyn's Sundering it can be inferred they were killed and reincarnated as more limited mortals much like Azem. Using the memory crystals the Unsundered Ascians can restore their sundered brethren to their old station. However, it's not clear whether those restored sundered Ascians are native to the Source; at least Nabriales is implied to not be. Without their memories sundered Ascians could be anyone, so it's nothing to worry overmuch about.

The term "Warrior of Light" is more or less synonymous with the term "hero" in, arguably, most if not all of the shards and Source as a legend spread by Elidibus to help maintain his existence. It doesn't necessarily refer to an incarnation of Azem, Hydaelyn's champion, or a reincarnated Convocation member.

As for Zenos... we still don't have the full picture of what his deal is. He claims to have always dreamed of the Final Days, and Fandaniel asks himself whether Emet-Selch "found a way" when Zenos mentions said dreams. (Found a way to do... what...?) In regards to him being a reincarnated Ascian / Ancient, I don't think that's the case; with it having been revealed the PC is a reincarnation of Azem, as the PC's foil Zenos is much less likely to be the same.

[Anonymoose]

I think the implication was that Hydaelyn uses the term for Her chosen, then it becomes synonymous with hero and applied to anyone who does great deeds, and since Zodiark was summoned with the desire to "save the world", Elidibus can side-jack some power from the zealotry of anyone who wants to save the world, so he eggs it on sometimes. For me there's a leap from there to "The Warrior of Light is a legend spread by Elidibus" that I'm not quite ready for.

[Kesey]

I'd like to add my hunch that the 12 Ancients following Venat and help summon Hydaelyn are probably the 12 gods of the people of Eorzea. You can see them in the cutscene that immediately follows Anemnesis Anyder.

In other threads I've been calling them the Hydaelyn Convocation until we're given a proper name for them.

Furthermore, I feel that we aren't done with Venat either. As the Heart of Hydaelyn, much like Elidibus, says they will return and in a form of their choosing. So I guess the question remains who or what was Venat and what have they been doing?

[Kesey]

I think the implication was that Hydaelyn uses the term for Her chosen, then it becomes synonymous with hero and applied to anyone who does great deeds, and since Zodiark was summoned with the desire to "save the world", Elidibus can side-jack some power from the zealotry of anyone who wants to save the world, so he eggs it on sometimes. For me there's a leap from there to "The Warrior of Light is a legend spread by Elidibus" that I'm not quite ready for.

Yes. But I'm willing to guess that we may find out that all of Hydaelyn's WOL were souls with a fragment of Azem's soul reincarnated through time. I think back to the four lords quest where Suzaku looks at our soul and sees Tenzen. Or the soul scan in done by the pods in Azys Lla during the Warring Triad quests that recognize us as citizens of the Allagan empire during the war with Mercaydia. I'm willing to bet the heroes in the history book mentioned in 5.3 were us too and maybe we were Ramza in the ff14 version of history Ivalice. I've wondered if these memories could be triggered with interaction with the missing Midgradsormr children who would have lived through all of these events.

[Cilia]

Yes. But I'm willing to guess that we may find out that all of Hydaelyn's WOL were souls with a fragment of Azem's soul reincarnated through time. I think back to the four lords quest where Suzaku looks at our soul and sees Tenzen. Or the soul scan in done by the pods in Azys Lla during the Warring Triad quests that recognize us as citizens of the Allagan empire during the war with Mercaydia. I'm willing to bet the heroes in the history book mentioned in 5.3 were us too and maybe we were Ramza in the ff14 version of history Ivalice. I've wondered if these memories could be triggered with interaction with the missing Midgradsormr children who would have lived through all of these events.

While Tenzen being a previous incarnation of Azem is on the table, Ramza is not - his soul is still lingering around the Orbonne Monastery when we go there. Pretty sure the Allagan stuff was just malfunctioning, like lots of the stuff up there does. (It's been 5,000 years after all.)

Either way, the point I was trying to make is that the Warrior of Light title is not reserved exclusively for Hydaelyn's champion(s); rather it's used as a catchall term for any larger than life heroic figure, blessed by Hydaelyn or not. That was kind of the point of Elidibus making everyone think they were Warriors of Light even though they're just nascent Echo users. I admit the veracity of Elidibus creating and spreading the legend of the Warrior of Light is questionable (at best - I seem to be losing my rationality for some reason, someone help me find it!) but you don't have to have the Echo or be blessed by Hydaelyn to be or call yourself a Warrior of Light (in the eyes of common people, at any rate). Sundered, amnesiac Ascians may or may not be or have been Warriors of Light, but that title isn't limited to them.

Were all Hydaelyn's chosen Warriors of Light incarnations of Azem? Err... considering all the Warriors of Darkness (neé of Light) from the First were had at least one Crystal of Light, I seriously doubt it. (Ysayle did too.)

[Vyrerus]

What's up with the Sundereds you ask? Well, we're about to find out. I'm very much looking forward to them picking whether they're for what Fandango's all about or whether they're not. I imagine that not all of them got reraised by Emet or Elidibus, but that's an off-screen plot point for the scriptwriters to decide.

I can see it going either way, "Oh mostly they're dead and unraised, so they're unawares." or "They all got raised up, but now there's squabbles about what to do now." I imagine Fandango's goals don't involve them, and should they get in his way, he'll have Zenos butcher'em. Yeehaw!

Also very curious to see if Gaius actually managed to permanently off any of them.

[Starkbeaumont]

what I always wondered shouldn't there be a sundered ascian part on each world like with our character as well? If Igeyorhm we killed in Azys Lla was from the Source she should have been rejoined 7 times. Apparently Ardbert and co killed all Ascians of the First. that would still leave 5 pieces of Igeyorhm around (maybe 4, depends how the 13th acts in this case).
Or do all pieces get erased when the Source piece is gone?

Also is Hydaelyn also sundered or is she present on all worlds?