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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    I'm not opposed to having a female lead since I enjoy them a great deal when done right. VI was done right. 13 was not, but not because of Lightning honestly, though I personally didn't think she was that interesting. She lacked any real personality. I'd be willing to bet that 13 has been a factor in their decision making the last few years, though I doubt that had anything to do with Lightning being the main character and female. The games just sucked. lol However, In the 16 trailer alone there was at least 3-4 different female characters. It's unfair to judge it in that respect as things currently stand. We know next to nothing about it. It doesn't appear that we're going to have another 6 or 13 with a female lead but they usually do an excellent job of adding them to the main cast and keeping them just as relevant as the main character. 15 wasn't my favorite game and I do think the main characters were somewhat lacking. It goes to show that character gender isn't really a factor when it comes to making a good game. 15 to me was a bit subpar. SE just needs to focus on making a good game. Hopefully FF 16 is one such game. We haven't had a truly good single player FF game for a long time now aside from the FF7 Remake...but that's a remake, not a brand new title.
    Amen. If I only played games which had protagonists that matched my gender, I would miss out on a lot of cool games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rachcouture View Post
    Reason I won't buy this one, either. Are we ever going to have another female-led masterpiece like VI?
    XIII trilogy?
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    One of the reasons I suggest a character creator in this game is because of things like this. Most good single player games, specially rpgs, these days have a character creator. So even if you don't find a character you like in the story you can still find yourself in the game's world in some way, even if it's not recognized. A great option for New game+ unlock.
    It was my favorite thing about White Knight Chronicles, definitely a default and standard feature all rpgs need to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    One of the reasons I suggest a character creator in this game is because of things like this. Most good single player games, specially rpgs, these days have a character creator. So even if you don't find a character you like in the story you can still find yourself in the game's world in some way, even if it's not recognized. A great option for New game+ unlock.
    It was my favorite thing about White Knight Chronicles, definitely a default and standard feature all rpgs need to have.
    I disagree. Zidane, Cloud, and Squall have quirks that would annoy me if they were created by me. Player character works well for me if it's like the WoL in FFXIV, where the character is prominent in the story but still vague. But for single player characters, I'd rather they be not vague at all, so I want an actual character created by the game, not me, so I can view that character as a character, not just an extension of me.

    The other way of making player-created character work is to give story choices, but that has its own problems where the choices presented might not actually be what you think it means. For example, SWTOR does this with its force/moral choices, and I hated it. The choices presented are often either don't make sense, too limited, or misleading.

    If someone cannot play a game because of the gender of the protagonist, I think that's ok, and games should not have to leave everything to the player just because different players want different things.
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    FFXIV is for weebs! WEEEEEEEEBSSSSS!
    did I stumble into the chat of an Asmongold vid or something? Anyway, as someone who grew up during the big PS2 JRPG era I'm glad that turn based combat is no longer the standard today. I already hated it back then, especially if in combination with random encounters.
    Also why are some people saying that it's gonna take like 10 more years for XVI to come out? Tetsuya "development hell" Nomura isn't part of the dev team after all. (remember how he even caused the announcement for the Eden raids to be delayed from EU to JP fanfest, and then had the introduction of Gaia delayed till 5.2? Pottery.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    One of the reasons I suggest a character creator in this game is because of things like this. Most good single player games, specially rpgs, these days have a character creator. So even if you don't find a character you like in the story you can still find yourself in the game's world in some way, even if it's not recognized. A great option for New game+ unlock.
    It was my favorite thing about White Knight Chronicles, definitely a default and standard feature all rpgs need to have.
    I get what you are saying and definitey there are single player games where character creation shines (like Skyrim, Dragon Age), however, the hallmark of Final Fantasy is producing characters that go down as legends. Names like Cloud, Tidus, etc, are legends and you know what they look like.

    If I mention right now FF 14's Warrior of Light, does anything come to mind? Are they at the same “legendary” status as Zidane? I think not really. The reason is because we don’t know what they look like. All we know are our own characters’ faces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    No no, you're thinking of player character as in XIV, but that's far from what I mean. You'd just be a "soldier" that joins the party, who's never acknowledged by the story at all. The townspeople might acknowledge you lightly but not in a real story based kind of way. It'd just give you the option to have a character you actually like being in the party, as opposed to the effeminate main character they always seem to make; with a supporting cast that's not much better (depending on which FF, it's just been the case a lot lately).
    You'd have to have played games like White Knight Chronicles to really get the gist of it.
    That was my least liked part about WKC. Hard pass for me.
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    I'm not proposing this to be popular about it though. I just know friends who will not touch an rpg they can't make a character in. It's one of the biggest reason why a wrpgs do better overall; such as the Souls series for example. People love customizing their characters, whether it's a story based rpg or not; a character creator as a bonus can only add more value to the game, specially to the western customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    I'm not proposing this to be popular about it though. I just know friends who will not touch an rpg they can't make a character in. It's one of the biggest reason why a wrpgs do better overall; such as the Souls series for example. People love customizing their characters, whether it's a story based rpg or not; a character creator as a bonus can only add more value to the game, specially to the western customers.

    FF fans aren't WRPG fans tho. What I mean by that is WRPG fans were most likely not the target group for a large part of the Final Fantasy fanbase and just adding a blank CC for a numbered single player FF game would do it no service. Now you are making me think about that age old question on which is better .. a JRPG or WRPG... but that depends on the person. I perfer JRPGs myself.
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