Online store prices are outrageously high!

[Eclair_Xysha]

This is all really economics and the willingness to pay.

Plus these are all options for your characters. If you want premium for vanity reasons, you pay for it. You missed the sale? Oh well.

I don't want to be crude but these are really all vanity items. You don't need them. You just want them.

The willingness to pay concept doesn't care if you think it's expensive as long as there's a good amount of people out there are willing to pay for those prices advertised.

[Sauteed]

I don't come up with prices for add-on content.. I also don't develop them. I know people who do tho, not just for little cash shop features. Best I can say is we really do not know what the process involved in getting that content to the Mogstation entails entirely. There is probably some Quality Assurance team that needs to be paid for their time, probably some animosity between certain members of the Quality Assurance team and whatever artists make stuff as well, leading to expenditures and some level of crony-ism involved that we are just not privy to. That's business.

I honestly feel like the chocobo carriage is overpriced for what is there. It's an already in-game asset that probably had some slight modifications made to it, whatever coding was needed to make it a useable mount happened, and recycled "chocobo mount" theme. To me, that isn't getting my 35.99 or whatever the cost is. On the flip side, I was all about that SDS fenrir.. loved the theme it plays as well, and that is like not recycled asset. It's a one seater, cost 29.99 and it is account wide as well. To me I feel like I got my USD worth out of that. I use it every time I log in. I use the regalia too, and I said when that came out I'd pay $30 to get that on an alt or the rest of my account.


Is the stuff over priced? That's subjective. I'm a guy with disposable income thankfully, I don't try to flaunt it. There are multiple glams that imo are just not worth it to me. I will not pay for them, for the cost. Maybe on a sale, but even still at like 33% off, I am like nah, I'll just pass. I can "afford" them, but I just reign back and say no not worth it. There is the vast majority of the little cash shop I feel this way about. And considering the few things I've bought, and how all over the spectrum of cost they were it just came down to what I judge was worth it to me.

I fantasia'd to miqo 1 time, and back to Lalafell, and I feel that fantasia's are insanely overpriced for what you get, not gonna buy another, and even if they go on sale, not ever going to buy one. Now a buy one get one free, eh maybe, but I also just enjoy being a smol.
I know my schpeel here is probably hitting off topic at points but what I mean to say is, judge the value of the item, and decide for yourself. There are things that are eh sorta kinda want them on the mogshop but at the same time, flopping down 10-15 bucks for them even if I have it to spend just prohibits my interest from making it a sale for them. If they want my money, they'll adapt, and sell cheaper. If not, I'll just be short glam.

[StriderShinryu]

I know my schpeel here is probably hitting off topic at points but what I mean to say is, judge the value of the item, and decide for yourself. There are things that are eh sorta kinda want them on the mogshop but at the same time, flopping down 10-15 bucks for them even if I have it to spend just prohibits my interest from making it a sale for them. If they want my money, they'll adapt, and sell cheaper. If not, I'll just be short glam.

Yep, pretty much this. It's not necessarily a question of whether one can or can't afford something. Just because you can afford a brand new Rolls Royce doesn't mean you're going to go out and buy one because, hey, that's just what they cost. There is still a lot of room to say "I might want that or like that but it's not worth what they're asking for it" even if you can afford it.

For me, I'd like the dirndl shirt and the spriggan mount. I could easily afford the dirndl shirt and the spriggan mount. But I'm not buying either of them because I think charging $18 USD for a single in game shirt and $30 USD for a in game mount is a serious over reach, especially in a game I already pay monthly to play.

[JTF-Taru]

If I went to a shop and get charged for 10 dollars, that's me asking for it because they typically display prices for food they sell. That means I knowingly took that bread that costs 10 dollars and brought it to the shelf. My choice
Secondly, if I didn't like those prices, I'd just...leave the store and go to another one that sells cheaper? Duh. "But what if it's like, the only store in your neighborhood?" Omg omg omg, um....oh i know! I'll just...not buy the bread and live on something else. *Cue mind explosion*

None of that has anything to do with the point being made. Which was if something is over-priced and someone tells you just to budget for it, you wouldn't treat it as a reasonable thing to say.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Buying a loaf of bread for £10 IS ridiculous and it's really not something an adult needs to say/think aloud. It's a gimme that said adult should shop around and seek a better deal in the market; to think otherwise shows that your childish and aren't equipped for the real world. There's only one Mogstation. It has no competition in Mogstation item sales (as SE is the sole owner), therefore they control Mogstation sales.

Honestly, I'm bewildered that we're actually comparing sales of necessities to digital wants.

No one needs bread to eat. If it's too expensive, buy rice or crackers or potatoes etc. There is no difference between the two comparisons. The only 'childish thing' is your inability to form a coherent point without making baseless insults.

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It has never mattered whether something is needed or not. Being ripped off as something is over-priced is being ripped off as something is over-priced. People will always talk about something like that, whether it's bread or computer graphics. Trying to come up with semantic reasons to promote being ripped off isn't reasonable. In your own words, 'How is that a difficult concept to master?'

Yes, the fault lies with SE. As for that market stuff, I refer you to the answer I gave Krotoan. This is just repeating the same stuff so there is no point repeating the same answers over and over.

There are no comparable items. Items in other games are not available in FFXIV, therefore they are not competing in the same market.

Once again:

It doesn’t matter if it’s literally the same thing or not. The concepts are the same or close enough so of course the items are comparable.

in Aus we have to pay in Euro and a over seas fee
SE hates australia
lovely $47 multi seater chocobo

That's...appalling.

[linayar]

It doesn’t matter if it’s literally the same thing or not. The concepts are the same or close enough so of course the items are comparable.

Comparable for what purpose? Items sold in the FFXIV Online Store are made for your FFXIV characters. Other items that cannot be used by your FFXIV characters because they are made for other games are irrelevant regardless of what they cost.

[Violet_Galaxy]

No one needs bread to eat. If it's too expensive, buy rice or crackers or potatoes etc. There is no difference between the two comparisons. The only 'childish thing' is your inability to form a coherent point without making baseless insults.

Goodness gracious, way to miss my entire point. Nobody needs Mogstation items to play this game. SE even made that point very clear on their banner once you hit the Mogstation page that the items are OPTIONAL ITEMS. If you're arguing just to argue, you're doing a very poor job at it.

I made no insults. The fact you think I did is another you problem. Not me.

[Lubu_Mykono]

Game makes you pay for:

1. Monthly sub
2. Pay for the base game (up until the most recent free trial so most people playing now bought the base game)
3. Expansions (basic full game price every 2 years)
4. You need retainers if you want decent item storage and gil making.

Yet people still think it's fine for Square Enix to charge 100s of dollars for statues, and 40 bucks for the most recent mount.
Not to mention all the other merchandise and crap they flog that a certain portion of this audience will buy each and everytime no matter what it is.

Only way they will change is if no-one buys the mogstation stuff but that isn't going to stop anytime soon.

[Kes13a]

Game makes you pay for:

1. Monthly sub
2. Pay for the base game (up until the most recent free trial so most people playing now bought the base game)
3. Expansions (basic full game price every 2 years)
4. You need retainers if you want decent item storage and gil making.

Yet people still think it's fine for Square Enix to charge 100s of dollars for statues, and 40 bucks for the most recent mount.
Not to mention all the other merchandise and crap they flog that a certain portion of this audience will buy each and everytime no matter what it is.

Only way they will change is if no-one buys the mogstation stuff but that isn't going to stop anytime soon.

1. oh dear, at best 50 cents a DAY to play something as much as you want. what a crime.
2. established precedent in mmos, check out World of Warcraft sometime if you dont believe me.
3. again, see 2 for precedent. prices of labour rise, so too development costs, yet the price is reasonable for what you receive. they bank on volume
4. you get 2 for FREE. so no, the game doesnt make you pay for more, thats optional. inventory management on the otherhand, is usually up to the player.

these are optional items. which part of OPTIONAL are you having trouble with? here, if it helps any:

optional
[ op-shuh-nl ]

adjective
left to one's choice; not required or mandatory: Formal dress is optional.
leaving something to choice.

[Pretzelcoatl]

1. oh dear, at best 50 cents a DAY to play something as much as you want. what a crime.
2. established precedent in mmos, check out World of Warcraft sometime if you dont believe me.
3. again, see 2 for precedent. prices of labour rise, so too development costs, yet the price is reasonable for what you receive. they bank on volume
4. you get 2 for FREE. so no, the game doesnt make you pay for more, thats optional. inventory management on the otherhand, is usually up to the player.

these are optional items. which part of OPTIONAL are you having trouble with? here, if it helps any:

optional
[ op-shuh-nl ]

adjective
left to one's choice; not required or mandatory: Formal dress is optional.
leaving something to choice.

1. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
2. i dont play those games i hate their cash shop too, also i dont even think wow has any armor that i care about in their store, so that would make ff14 much worse
3. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
4. lots of game let you unlock content by doing quests and activities. Some extremely bad games instead have a website where you pay money. Which one is worse in your opinion?

[Melichoir]

1. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
2. i dont play those games i hate their cash shop too, also i dont even think wow has any armor that i care about in their store, so that would make ff14 much worse
3. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
4. lots of game let you unlock content by doing quests and activities. Some extremely bad games instead have a website where you pay money. Which one is worse in your opinion?

Lets do lists too!

1) There is. How do you think those things come about? Out of thin air? It does cost them money and time to develop that, and they develop it for the explicit purpose to increase their revenue stream so they can do other things with that money. It is a literal investment. Take some sub fees to develop a glamour item that generates more money so they can apply it to more things (like the datacenters). I mean this is business 101. Take some of your profits and invest it into things to turn that money into a larger sum of money.
2) Cash shops are a thing. Whether you appreciate it or not is up to you, but theyre not going anywhere. This is like theme park merchandising. You purchase the ticket, ride the rides, but that novelty t shirt isnt included in the ticket cost. You buy that on the side, if you want it. And wearing that novelty t shirt doesnt heighten how fun a ride is (unless youre weird). I mean you would have a point if you paid to enter the theme park and then had to pay to ride each ride or buy something so you could ride those rides. But that isnt the case.
3) repeating your point doesnt make it any better
4) This is the great joke of all this complaining. If you go into mog station, broadly most of what is available on it are items, mounts, and glamours that were already or are already available in game. If you had a sub, all those event items you would have already cause they literally gave it to you by doing a quest or something. A large chunk of whats on the mog station are these previous event items that you coulda had for a sub fee. Dyes are all available in game so its just a convenience, Jump Potions and the like are purely a decision for if you want to play the damn MSQ or not and a handful of mounts that are semi interesting vs the oodles of mounts you can literally get in game by beating savage and expert fights. I mean the omega mount is cooler than almost everything on the mog station, and most glamours that are available in game tend to be better than stuff you can buy on mog station.



I honestly think that many of you who complain about mogstation dont actually sit down and think about what is offered to us. Im not saying that I want everythign to be on mogstation and that cash shops are plenty fine. But Im also not gonna humor the idea that SE is just gating all the good stuff behind their payment wall when the reality is the lions share of cool items are things you achieve in game, and outside the debate on jump potions, you everything on mog station is purely about cosmetics and nothing else.