Question: Relics first? Extreme primals last?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You are mixing being casual with being "not good" at the game.


P.S: We cleared extremes when it was relevant.

Once again, it's people having 2 opinions on what denotes "casual, mid core, hardcore"


To me it's always been time spent. Casual players spend the least amount of time playing while hardcore players spend the most.


I am a hardcore player, but a casual raider.

I have 3 2.5 hour raid nights. I have cleared the 4th savage floor, and am doing ultimate. But I am not in a hardcore or even midcore static. We are casual.


However, I am definitely hardcore when it comes to xiv in general. I have 15000 hours logged on my character since 2010, I play most days. I have done nearly all content available. Been to nearly every fanfest.

[Amnmaat]

You are mixing being casual with being "not good" at the game.


P.S: We cleared extremes when it was relevant.

No I don't. You can't just bring any level 80 out of the streets and clear Seat of Sacrifice with them. It takes a more dedicated type of player to clear that trial, thus not a casual.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I'm a casual player and I cleared it. The friend I generally play with is an extremely casual player (only has one class leveled up to 80 for example) and FFXIV is his first MMO. He also manages to clear all extremes fights so far in this expansion (and a few savage too).

You and your friend are what is know as "Midcore" in actuality not "casuals."

[Astrus]

As someone who rarely does Extreme Primals when they're new I'd prefer it if they released the relic steps earlier instead, but thats just my preferrance and hardly seems fair to the mid- to hardcore players who have little enough "current" content at most times as it is.

[Hanayumi]

Not sure you can truely consider relic casual anyway, sure its not difficult, but still a hell of grind, with as much if not more time and effect than savage or ultimate.

[Amnmaat]

Not sure you can truely consider relic casual anyway, sure its not difficult, but still a hell of grind, with as much if not more time and effect than savage or ultimate.

Yes, if people were around during A realm reborn or Heavensward they'd understand that just 1 relic would take a casual who only plays maybe 4 hours a day 4-5 days a week 2 months or more to complete 1 relic step.
And that's exactly the point, this keeps casuasl busy. Just expecting them to do roulettes every day is borderline torture.

[Stepjam]

No, this is fine. It allows the people who commit to clearing harder content early access to better gear, but then gives those who aren't as interested in that access to better gear later on. Besides, Bozja is presumably going to be more substantial than a single ex fight, so it's understandable that they are releasing it later rather than at launch (if you agree that spreading out content over a few months rather than frontloading everything is a good idea)

[Xatsh]

It blows my mind how the definition of Casual, Midcore, and Hardcore has changed over the the last 16yrs.

In my eyes it is combination between midset and playtime. Skill or Experience has NOTHING to do with skill.

I would define it as this:

Someone playing <15hrs a week is playing the game casually. If they clear all the content and have top parses on all the logs but only play 10hrs a week.... they are still playing the game casually. They are just really really good. In fact at this point most the best players are playing extremely casually because they beat everything already.
Someone playing between 15 and 40 is playing midcore. Again could be good or bad. That does not effect it.
Someone playing 40hrs+ a week is playing the game hardcore. If they struggle to beat normal mode trials. They are still playing hardcore they are just really really bad.

I will say the casual mindset is I just want to chill after work and have fun. Who cares if we win or lose it is the fun that matters. The whole "Btw I have to leave the ex fight at 9pm, me and my friends are doing a screen shot contest in Kugani then we are farming pony mounts to complete our sets." Casuals tend to focus on fluff content: Mounts, Glamours, Titles, Achievements.

The hardcore mindset is ok savage raid is coming out in 2 weeks. Does everyone have their 5 days of PTO in. We start at 8am est, break for 1 hr 12 to 1, and then raid from 1 to 5 with a break to 6 then stop at midnight. Starting Tuesday ending the following Tuesday. If anyone has an issue say something now so we can find a rep for you in the group. Hardcores tend to focus on progression. Sorta an extreme example... but you get the idea.

As for the hardcores playing and casual taking breaks.... it is the exact opposite in my experience from arr to now. Casuals and new players are the only ones with stuff to do ingame still. This game is almost purely designed for the casual weekend warrior... they are the only ones who will never run out of stuff to do.

[Gemina]

It blows my mind how the definition of Casual, Midcore, and Hardcore has changed over the the last 16yrs...

Indeed. It would seem that those who clear the most difficult content believe they are the ones to move the goalposts. It's not something I really choose to argue against since I don't prog savage or ultimate. I can see why a savage raider would feel this way. It simplifies things to refer to all content outside current raid tier as casual, but that term has negative connotations to it that make players feel like their attempts or clears of the higher end duties that are not current to be trivial.

For players who feel that way, I wouldn't let it get to you. "Casual" in this game doesn't mean it's easy. It just means it's not the current tier of stuff that is being progressed. However, what I will say is that any content that I feel is not easy, I am also not going to approach it casually.

It would also seem that "casual" serves a double entendre. It can refer to the content, and the player. You can find casual players in highend content, and savage raiders in casual content. Then from there are these varying degrees of how casual, and how hardcore a player is. It's a bit of a spectrum that all of us lie on somewhere.

[SenorPatty]

So...we gonna go back to OP's idea or derail fully into definitions?


I'm for having both, btw