PL Woes

[Xianghua]

Truth in this, but to this as well...

OP said the guy didn't know what Esuna was or the effect it had on the target. Even if he had explained it, he wouldn't have appreciated the necessity in it. This is the problem with the battle system as it is now. In XI, a WHM knew exactly what Erase did the first time their tank got hit with a debuff.

No WHM knew what erase did after reading the description. There isn't a light that pops up in a exp pt only that tells you to use it. you learn it by reading the description. That doesn't require an exp pt.

Some of you just crack me up.

"Hey guys I just got this spell called Cure."
"cool whats it do?"
"Idk the description says "it cure's a target" but I won't know til I get an exp pt to try it out."

Some players are just horrible and you can't do anything about it.
You can never help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.

[Xoo]

No WHM knew what erase did after reading the description. There isn't a light that pops up in a exp pt only that tells you to use it. you learn it by reading the description. That doesn't require an exp pt.

Some of you just crack me up.

"Hey guys I just got this spell called Cure."
"cool whats it do?"
"Idk the description says "it cure's a target" but I won't know til I get an exp pt to try it out."

Some players are just horrible and you can't do anything about it.
You can never help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.

...and if you'd never had to use it before that very moment? Would you have even remembered? Especially if you were powerleveled up to Lv40+? Sorry, I'll keep knocking the negative repercussions of a broken battle system, the proliferation and abuse of PL because I do believe they bear a significant impact on the general quality of players.

[Arcell]

...and if you'd never had to use it before that very moment? Would you have even remembered? Especially if you were powerleveled up to Lv40+? Sorry, I'll keep knocking the negative repercussions of a broken battle system, the proliferation and abuse of PL because I do believe they bear a significant impact on the general quality of players.

They should have read the description of the spell. Any decent mage should know exactly what all the spells they currently have do. It's not like it's an incredibly complex spell. It removes negative status effects, that's it. The player in question clearly never even looked at what the spell did before and is thus a bad player regardless of how they obtained their levels. You can't fix that kind of stupid/lazy. Not to mention something like Esuna would have very limited, if any, use in an XP party so Moogle might be the first time they would use it regardless.

A good player would have read the description and would know what the spell does, there's no two ways about it.

[Xoo]

They should have read the description of the spell. Any decent mage should know exactly what all the spells they currently have do. It's not like it's an incredibly complex spell. It removes negative status effects, that's it. The player in question clearly never even looked at what the spell did before and is thus a bad player regardless of how they obtained their levels. You can't fix that kind of stupid/lazy. Not to mention something like Esuna would have very limited, if any, use in an XP party so Moogle might be the first time they would use it regardless.

A good player would have read the description and would know what the spell does, there's no two ways about it.

You're right, they should have read the effects of the ability. When they got it at Lv40, which they probably negated to do since at that point all they needed to get by was Curaga and Stoneskin.

[Xianghua]

...and if you'd never had to use it before that very moment? Would you have even remembered? Especially if you were powerleveled up to Lv40+? Sorry, I'll keep knocking the negative repercussions of a broken battle system, the proliferation and abuse of PL because I do believe they bear a significant impact on the general quality of players.

I was 50 cnj way before jobs came out. The 1st time I played white mage fully unlocked was CC. The minute I Saw Chimera do Scorpion Sting. and saw the poison. I knew to use the Esuna. Why? Because I knew what the spell did. I didn't need to go to an exp pt to learn what the spell did. I remember the spell because I am a good player. If you don't remember you have the spell that makes you a bad player and no amount of time spent an exp pt will make you remember.

[Xoo]

I was 50 cnj way before jobs came out. The 1st time I played white mage fully unlocked was CC. The minute I Saw Chimera do Scorpion Sting. and saw the poison. I knew to use the Esuna. Why? Because I knew what the spell did. I didn't need to go to an exp pt to learn what the spell did. I remember the spell because I am a good player. If you don't remember you have the spell that makes you a bad player and no amount of time spent an exp pt will make you remember.

Good for you, sincerely. You're a cut above. However, not everyone pays this much attention. If the battle system were slower and required more distinct action under far less forgiving circumstances, the guy would have learned what this spell/ability was long before he even hit 40. If not, approximately 60 seconds later he would have had a tank yelling at him to use it or get lost.

[Xianghua]

Good for you, sincerely. You're a cut above. However, not everyone pays this much attention. If the battle system were slower and required more distinct action under far less forgiving circumstances, the guy would have learned what this spell/ability was long before he even hit 40. If not, approximately 60 seconds later he would have had a tank yelling at him to use it or get lost.

How are you so sure? I knew a Whm on XI that was 75 and didn't know what benediction did. Slowing down the system will not make people learn. you CANNOT teach someone who doesn't want to learn. Chances are now even after being told. Kicked from party. That player still doesn't know how to use Esuna. Simply because he doesn't want to learn.

[Xoo]

How are you so sure? I knew a Whm on XI that was 75 and didn't know what benediction did. Slowing down the system will not make people learn. you CANNOT teach someone who doesn't want to learn. Chances are now even after being told. Kicked from party. That player still doesn't know how to use Esuna. Simply because he doesn't want to learn.

Find that very hard to believe, but I suppose it's possible. However, we're not entertaining rarities here. Player incompetence due to being powerleveled is the subject. As well, somehow we got off on attacking the OP for being a bad leader, which he very well may have been, but as I say they are both at fault. Give credit where credit is due.

[Xianghua]

Find that very hard to believe, but I suppose it's possible. However, we're not entertaining rarities here. Player incompetence due to being powerleveled is the subject. As well, somehow we got off on attacking the OP for being a bad leader, which he very well may have been, but as I say they are both at fault. Give credit where credit is due.

Correct both are at fault.

But blindly blaming PL when its not the problem is rather pointless. I know people who PL'd who are very good at that jobs. At the same time I know people who didn't PL who are horrible. When you go with a PUG there is always a chance that you will get at least 1 bad person. Try to teach them. If the refuse to learn. You've done what you can, kick/blist and leave them be. That's all you need to do. You don't need to blame PL, Obama, or anyone else but the player for not learning their role.

[Zaaku]

Find that very hard to believe, but I suppose it's possible. However, we're not entertaining rarities here. Player incompetence due to being powerleveled is the subject. As well, somehow we got off on attacking the OP for being a bad leader, which he very well may have been, but as I say they are both at fault. Give credit where credit is due.

Thanks... I think. I do agree with you though. A 75 Whm who didn't know Benny seems impossible. It took that players 3 solid MONTHS of playing 6 hours a day to reach his cap. I find it difficult to believe he was never called upon except that one moment at 75 to use it and only then realized it was in his abilities list. Even if that was the case that was exceedingly rare. Literally unheard of in my time in FFXI.

It is quite possible for someone who never touched the job until 40 to not have a bloody damn clue what they were doing even if they did cap. Which honestly you can go from 40-50 in 2 days anyways, so learning the job then is just plain utter ignorance. If you expect me to accept that everyone should have 2 days of 'training' after the PL rocket pocket parties and then determine if they are willing to learn how to get good then when even have levels at all?

Hell just let us all have 50's and you can pick a class whenever you log in. Apparently that is what PLers want anyways why not oblige them and toss the whole leveling thing completely. I cannot be bothered to put more then 10 hours of effort into attaining my cap lets play some of that awesome and fun end game! Surely those 6 events will never get boring day after day after day.

Leveling has to be a KEY component of the game experience. Hell I say the MOST important. In FFXI when you finally did cap you could have done end game. Many choose to simply level another job. Why would they do that?! It took them FOREVER to reach the max level. Who would ever doing something hard on purpose AGAIN? Because it was FUN. Was the battle mechanic inherietnly fun in and of itself? That is up for debate. Many will say it was just a long grind. Those people tended not to last long in the game. It was enjoyable because you got to feel yourself becoming more powerful. Take on more and more challenging foes and use new talents and abilities you've learn through dedication. It is the progressive feeling of becoming better and more able that drives you. A feeling that has been lost on todays generation. Hard work isn't something to run away from. Taking head on that which opposes you and overcoming it is what makes capping satisfying. Enriches the game play and your take home after you log off. Did I just spend 5 hours getting lost in Yuhtunga to join a PT which wiped 3 times and only got half a level today?


Yeah I did. I'm sure I can get that other half tomorrow... *happy sleep*