PL Woes

[Keyln]

I have two points.

1) Esuna is completely meaningless in levelling. One can skip by Esuna in getting CNJ up to 50, and not once in my level to 50 CNJ did I ever go, "Gee, I wish I had Esuna right now". Or even Presence of Mind. Blaming powerlevelling is completely meaningless as it's possible to get to 50 the "normal" way (grinding monsters as a party or doing leves) without ever needing either ability.

2) It isn't about the speed of levelling, but the content. In modern MMORPG design, all the level means is what level content the character can handle. It isn't getting to X level to enjoy Y content, but it's about enjoying Y content because I'm X level. It's why MMO's such as World of Warcraft and Rift are so successful.

And yes, the OP was being a douche.

[Zaaku]

And yes, the OP was being a douche.

Just curious. How would all you armchair PT leaders handle the situation? It seems like everyone makes the leader find the members, secure the teleport, explain the entire fight, take care of any replacements that need to happen, and get them back to their city of choice. All the effort, none of the gratitude. Only bitching and moaning because I put the needs of the other 6 people under my charge ahead of one person who was obviously not ready to do the event.

I hate making PT's in FFXIV because instead of garnering a modicum of respect for the extra work I do. All I get is flamed online because I didn't pat some noobs head while feeding him cotton candy and telling him everything is going to be alright. You can stay and cause another wipe. Waste mine and the others time and resources because you are entitled to PT's carrying you because you are new. /eye roll

I don't want to create a greater schism but people like yourselves would have never of made it in FFXI. I dearly wish that were the case now so I could be among those who take themselves the least bit seriously.

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[Keyln]

Just curious. How would all you armchair PT leaders handle the situation? It seems like everyone makes the leader find the members, secure the teleport, explain the entire fight, take care of any replacements that need to happen, and get them back to their city of choice. All the effort, none of the gratitude. Only bitching and moaning because I put the needs of the other 6 people under my charge ahead of one person who was obviously not ready to do the event.

Well, yeah, as the guy who's putting the putting the party together, it is sorta your responsibility to do all that. That's why you're the party leader. It's up to you to make the call, and make the decision.

I hate making PT's in FFXIV because instead of garnering a modicum of respect for the extra work I do. All I get is flamed online because I didn't pat some noobs head while feeding him cotton candy and telling him everything is going to be alright. You can stay and cause another wipe. Waste mine and the others time and resources because you are entitled to PT's carrying you because you are new. /eye roll

Here's a tip: It isn't what you did that was douchy as how you did it. You didn't want to carry a person who was clearly new to the game. Fine, I can understand that. But you didn't have to ask him if he was drunk. You didn't have to insult him as you did time and time again in this thread. You could taught him how to use those abilities, and maybe he would have done better. Or if you didn't want to do that, you could have asked him to leave and find a replacement.

As far as being flamed online, you brought that on yourself. You come in here to complain about a new player, insult him, and then blame it on something which probably wasn't the case (powerlevelling). And then you start to insult people who disagree with you. If I didn't think you were serious, I'd say you'd be trolling.

I don't want to create a greater schism but people like yourselves would have never of made it in FFXI. I dearly wish that were the case now so I could be among those who take themselves the least bit seriously.

Please. Don't presume you know anything about me or my gaming history.

[Zaaku]

As far as being flamed online, you brought that on yourself. You come in here to complain about a new player, insult him, and then blame it on something which probably wasn't the case (powerlevelling). And then you start to insult people who disagree with you. If I didn't think you were serious, I'd say you'd be trolling.

You honestly believe.

He attained level 50 in a week by not PLing? You are either purposely being dense or are just so empty handed with justification because you know PLing is wrong yet don't want to admit the problems it causes. Like such. Because you do not like to put the work in and don't want others to think ill of people who boost to the finish.

[Lux_Rayna]

You honestly believe.

He attained level 50 in a week by not PLing? You are either purposely being dense or are just so empty handed with justification because you know PLing is wrong yet don't want to admit the problems it causes. Like such. Because you do not like to put the work in and don't want others to think ill of people who boost to the finish.

In a party, or with a constant partner, it is entirely possible to grind to 50 in a week. The problem is that finding stable parties that can play all the time is impossible, so ppl just PL instead. Think about it, how long does it take to go from 40-50 in a party? 2 days tops..you could actually do it in one day if you played like 8-10 hours non-stop.

40-50 is the same amount of xp as 1-40. So if you do the math, it is very possible to go from 1-50 in 4 to 5 days in an xp party that played 8-10 hours non-stop. A week is 7 days, so it is more than possible to lvl to cap in a week without PLing. Course your chances of having a party all the time are 0 unless you play with friends on a daily basis (or with your spouse).

[Keyln]

You honestly believe.

He attained level 50 in a week by not PLing? You are either purposely being dense or are just so empty handed with justification because you know PLing is wrong yet don't want to admit the problems it causes. Like such. Because you do not like to put the work in and don't want others to think ill of people who boost to the finish.

I didn't say that he didn't powerlevel. I did say that his lack of knowledge wouldn't be because of powerlevelling. Whether he did or did not powerlevel is immaterial.

[Zaaku]

I didn't say that he didn't powerlevel. I did say that his lack of knowledge wouldn't be because of powerlevelling. Whether he did or did not powerlevel is immaterial.

Is there a disconnect between logic, reason, and FFXIV in your head?

=Player is inexperienced and bad=
=Player is less then a week old=
=Player was PL'd till 50=
=Player never had to play his class since someone got him heaps of EXP while he sat there playing Pokemon Red=
=BUT HE ISN'T BAD BECAUSE HE WAS PL'D! HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN HARD ENOUGH!=

Saying that people should just magically learn how to play their job at cap when all they have left to fiddle with is End Game is like saying we should just gives cars to every 13 year old on their birthday.


"If he REALLY wants to be good he'll learn how to drive. He doesn't need some time to learn what the rules of the road are. How to properly place his feet. To judge distance and speed. Growing up is boring and he has a party to get to next week and he HAVE to be 16! He can't wait besides growing up is boring and it doesn't really teach you anything you can't learn at the end anyways."

Sure they'll learn but not before a great deal of damage has been done and in the end even if they DO figure it out they would have a better grasp if they began with fundamentals. Not to mention it would separate the good from the bad at least partly. A bad but determined player can cap out but more likely then not he'll stall at some point because PT's keep kicking him for being incompetent.

[Keyln]

Is there a disconnect between logic, reason, and FFXIV in your head?

Ooooh, interesting use of jpg, and the insult isn't half bad. More "your mom" references and perhaps a little more swearing, and this troll effort would be scored higher. I give it a 6 out of 10.

=Player is inexperienced and bad=
=Player is less then a week old=
=Player was PL'd till 50=
=Player never had to play his class since someone got him heaps of EXP while he sat there playing Pokemon Red=
=BUT HE ISN'T BAD BECAUSE HE WAS PL'D! HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN HARD ENOUGH!=

And you keep forgetting that there are some things that you don't learn just by playing a class until endgame. The proper use of Esuna and Presence of Mind are some of those things. As I said before, whether or not he was powerlevelled is immaterial, as these things one doesn't learn UNTIL one goes into endgame.

Honestly, I don't think you take in consideration that the Moogle fight is nothing like levelling in a party, or in a leve.

Saying that people should just magically learn how to play their job at cap when all they have left to fiddle with is End Game is like saying we should just gives cars to every 13 year old on their birthday.


"If he REALLY wants to be good he'll learn how to drive. He doesn't need some time to learn what the rules of the road are. How to properly place his feet. To judge distance and speed. Growing up is boring and he has a party to get to next week and he HAVE to be 16! He can't wait besides growing up is boring and it doesn't really teach you anything you can't learn at the end anyways."

Bad analogy is bad. There are some things you don't learn until after you grow up and take some responsibility.

Sure they'll learn but not before a great deal of damage has been done and in the end even if they DO figure it out they would have a better grasp if they began with fundamentals. Not to mention it would separate the good from the bad at least partly. A bad but determined player can cap out but more likely then not he'll stall at some point because PT's keep kicking him for being incompetent.

See, here's the thing. You know nothing about this guy. You know nothing of what's he played, or even how he levelled, and yet you keep making these general assertions. For as far as you know, this could have been this guy's first MMO, and he saw his friends playing FFXIV and went, "Oh wow, that looks cool.", and goes out to buy the game. He convinces his friends to get him up to 50 ('cause that's when the real fun starts), as well as get him WHM.

You say it's powerlevelling when in fact, it can't be because WHM didn't come out till just this recent patch, and I can say with certainty that the need for Esuna would never come up even if he levelled using leves or the old fashioned party grind.

[NoctisUmbra]

Is there a disconnect between logic, reason, and FFXIV in your head?

=Player is inexperienced and bad=
=Player is less then a week old=
=Player was PL'd till 50=
=Player never had to play his class since someone got him heaps of EXP while he sat there playing Pokemon Red=
=BUT HE ISN'T BAD BECAUSE HE WAS PL'D! HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN HARD ENOUGH!=

Saying that people should just magically learn how to play their job at cap when all they have left to fiddle with is End Game is like saying we should just gives cars to every 13 year old on their birthday.


"If he REALLY wants to be good he'll learn how to drive. He doesn't need some time to learn what the rules of the road are. How to properly place his feet. To judge distance and speed. Growing up is boring and he has a party to get to next week and he HAVE to be 16! He can't wait besides growing up is boring and it doesn't really teach you anything you can't learn at the end anyways."

Sure they'll learn but not before a great deal of damage has been done and in the end even if they DO figure it out they would have a better grasp if they began with fundamentals. Not to mention it would separate the good from the bad at least partly. A bad but determined player can cap out but more likely then not he'll stall at some point because PT's keep kicking him for being incompetent.

People get PLed to 50? Here I thought they could only really get PLed to about 40, and then actually had to be a part of grind parties to 50.

[NoctisUmbra]

This thread is a prime example of how people who are subjectively against PLing are going out of their way to look for reasons why PLing hurts the game to support their perspective.

Although, the logical thing to do is find the things that are wrong/bad/annoying in game and in turn determine objectively what the cause of it is.

The fact that someone would argue that a WHM who doesn't know to use Esuna is a problem that is rooted primarily in PLing right away, which in turn implies that they would learn Esuna through grinding levels, is actually enough reason to laugh and walk away.