Rework of unsynced system an mentor system

[Baxcel]

This and your original post make a huge incorrect assumption. That mentors are bad (or a significant portion of them are). It\\'s an age-old urban legend born from survivor bias and actually has no real-life correlation. At least none that anyone has been able to demonstrate.

I\\'m not one for just tossing out stories of bad mentors but its currently 4/4 on bad mentors when doing synced trials with my beginner fc members..

The trials weren\\'t even hard ones..

Ifirit, Titan, Ultma an Thorden.

All 4 had mentors who either left saying it was impossible or afked the entire fight because we wouldn\\'t kick them.

All 3 of the fights were cleared shortly after they gave up.

It dosnt set a good example for the new players.. it dosnt help show that there are many good mentors when they all leave and I stay explain the fight from doing the mechincs..

All these mentors saying that they can\\'t remember every fight.. well you don\\'t have to.. pull the dam boss.. see what the attacks do and then push further thr next pull..

If you dont have time for that don\\'t be in mentor roulette and don\\'t wear the crown.

[Baxcel]

What game developer would ever say, "ok lets just null everything this person ever achieved because they took a break for 6 months"?

What achievements are you meaning? No one can see which fights you have cleared besides actuallu looking into your achevements.. if you can't beat a fight that you've already cleared before did you actual beat it or did you brute force your way into it?

[Baxcel]

This is one of the biggest issues with Mentor Roulette. Don't want people to give up and leave? Then stop putting people into unwinnable situations. EX trials were never designed to be done with randoms in the DF. Some of them can be, this many years and ilevels later, but many still can't. You get Shinryu EX in roulette? 100% chance of agonizing failure.

these are not unwinnable fights.. teach.. progress and teach again until they understand what's killing them

[Baxcel]

New players can't really enjoy ex trials. Synced extremes are fights people had to learn on release, with many wipes and constant communication, often with statics until more people learned from guides. A new player is not familiar with the battle and extreme mechanics flow because leveling up to 50 is extremely easily now with all the exp boosts. Most new players I've seen don't even react to normal dungeon simple mechanics even if you explain them nicely, and we're expecting them to react and learn synced extremes in a single roulette run? good luck with that.

If you dont think new players enjoy ex then you've never seen the excitement of a new players clearing one synced.. theyre excited they jump for joy the scream in relief.. making it threw a hard fight even if it takes almost the entire time is what they are there for.

Its the thrill of a 1% wipe of knowing you'll beat it the next pull.. its seeing a new mechincs an aceing it right after..

Just because you don't wanna spend a hour teaching someone how to do a fight dosnt mean the new players don't wanna do it..

If you can't dedicate yourself to what fight you get placed into by the roulette then you shouldn't be doing that roulette..

Mentor MSQ Alliance of these see so many people give up just because they don't wanna be there or they cheat to get an easy fight..

Just stop doing it if your not going to help if your not going to teach.. if your not going to be the mentor you said you'd be

[Brightamethyst]

these are not unwinnable fights.. teach.. progress and teach again until they understand what's killing them

Which works great if you're going Garuda EX where at i130 half the mechanics can be ignored and the others explained with a simple, "don't kill the spiny." Not so much when you get Sophia and can't stop people from sliding off the platform.

[Fynlar]

Which works great if you're going Garuda EX where at i130 half the mechanics can be ignored and the others explained with a simple, "don't kill the spiny."

Incidentally, I have never, EVER seen a DF group not prematurely kill the spiny, even after repeatedly being told not to. It simply doesn't happen, and it's this sort of thing that mentors quickly grow tired of. "Mentoring" only works when people are willing to listen. Premature spiny death is understandable the first couple of times when it can be reasonably expected that people don't know any better, but it stops being that way real quick.

As a result, Garuda EX in DF has pretty much always been a race to kill her before she can do her 2nd Aerial Blast (which is nevertheless doable, due to the fight being tuned for much lower ilvl than 130, and if you live until that 2nd Aerial Blast you might get some echo to boot).

If you end up with this sort of mentality in an actually-difficult EX fight though? You simply aren't going to win, and nobody wants to waste a whole hour of their time chasing a lost cause, mentor or not.

If what I see in the DF for Garuda EX is any indication (where most people heavily outgear the fight and are apparently relying on that to allow them to ignore mechanics), Garuda Unreal is going to be an experience.

[Baxcel]

you could say this about any of the dungeons from mentor roulette right? its not just trials, somebody could be bad anywhere. so revoke all the clears in every other thing they might've sucked in?XD

im pretty sure u do already have to clear normal mode trials before even unlocking extremes. and even IF they re-cleared it, the whole chat log might've been quiet and they just got carried through the mechanics by other people.

Sure yeah you could say that about dungeons.. especially players almost abundant need to pull wall to wall.. which has been so bad that SE made dungeons where you couldn't do that..

An normal modes an dungeons are mostly part of the story theyre suppose to be a face roll.. Exs are not and players who duty finder them are looking for that challenge and wanting to try it out..

Head on into a current Ex trial.. and don't attack once just sit there.. see if your team clears

[EaMett]

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I'm not going to claim knowledge of your datacenter, but 4 of 4 is anecdotal at best.

[Baxcel]

I'm not going to claim knowledge of your datacenter, but 4 of 4 is anecdotal at best.

I know thats why i started with im not one to normally use personal stories as examples..

[Wyakin]

The mentor system is hugely flawed, Most mentors barely know their heads from their elbows. However forcing people to redo old content won’t fix bad mentors. I myself have played since 2.0, cleared all but one raid tier, all extreme primals. Can I remember every mechanic of ramuhex? Nope. Maybe after an hours practice my memory might be jogged but as a whole, I can’t remember ravanaex, or any older trials really. The mentor system needs to be less focussed on teaching fight A or fight B and even less focussed on being one big chat room social gathering and become a more intimate one on one solution. Stick your name on a list, of a noob has a question expect a random /tell. “Hey mr mentor, can you tell me how I unlock X?” “Mr mrs mentor, I see you’re playing mch, could you offer me some tips?”