Rework of unsynced system an mentor system

[Wolwosh]

Even though i'm a super nice and helpful guy, i'm not helping sprouts through extremes anymore. They have no idea what tank swapping is, don't prepare at all and most of the time they don't listen to my advice anyway or speak English. I'm not sitting through 1 hour of torture for strangers and in the end not even get a clear, i'm not Jesus..

[M0rrigan]

They have no idea what tank swapping is

Can you blame them though? players who have never experienced extremes or 8-man raids before never had to tank swap, it's a mechanic never brought up for them before. I'm not even a mentor but this is part of why extremes shouldn't be in a mentor roulette. It's not content you can just simply give directions and somewhat carry it. Statics had to progress with communication and watching guides when they released, sometimes even for days, and new players are expected to do so in a single hour with mechanics and pace they haven't seen before. It can be used as a tool to teach people? sure why not, but it's not a tool meant for duty completion, which is the point of doing a roulette.

[M0rrigan]

If you dont think new players enjoy ex then you've never seen the excitement of a new players clearing one synced.. theyre excited they jump for joy the scream in relief.. making it threw a hard fight even if it takes almost the entire time is what they are there for.

Its the thrill of a 1% wipe of knowing you'll beat it the next pull.. its seeing a new mechincs an aceing it right after..

Just because you don't wanna spend a hour teaching someone how to do a fight dosnt mean the new players don't wanna do it..

If you can't dedicate yourself to what fight you get placed into by the roulette then you shouldn't be doing that roulette..

Mentor MSQ Alliance of these see so many people give up just because they don't wanna be there or they cheat to get an easy fight..

Just stop doing it if your not going to help if your not going to teach.. if your not going to be the mentor you said you'd be

New players are overwhelmed with mechanics and instant deaths without actually having a chance to take part in the fight themselves. It might work on the first extremes like Gaurda or Ifrit. Sometimes you get someone who is somewhat used to the combat flow, but rarely. Newbies are often panicking to said mechanics and stepping where they shouldn't. They are used to regular dungeon mechanics of standing still and maybe dodging 1 slow red circle on the ground or a clear single indicator saying STAND HERE, and even then, those mechanics aren't punishing, they don't do them correctly but they still live and don't learn properly. I've seen this too many times. The low amount of people who get thrilled by that 1% wipe is really a vast minority compared to the everyday roulette experience.

[RajNish]

#2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.

Yelling at new players or even older players to do fights unsynced... demanding to be kicked from thr trial because it's not worth your time.. afking the entire fight because they wouldn't kick you.. refusing to even attempt to guide the players on an Ex trial..

Well, you observe the natural consequences of "fill party member slots". Of course, it's more decent to stay and wipe with the group, but these people make their choice. That is why I say that Ex Trials should not be in mentors' roulette.

[HeulGDarian]

New players are overwhelmed with mechanics and instant deaths without actually having a chance to take part in the fight themselves. It might work on the first extremes like Gaurda or Ifrit. Sometimes you get someone who is somewhat used to the combat flow, but rarely. Newbies are often panicking to said mechanics and stepping where they shouldn't. They are used to regular dungeon mechanics of standing still and maybe dodging 1 slow red circle on the ground or a clear single indicator saying STAND HERE, and even then, those mechanics aren't punishing, they don't do them correctly but they still live and don't learn properly. I've seen this too many times. The low amount of people who get thrilled by that 1% wipe is really a vast minority compared to the everyday roulette experience.

You know this all just says , pls SE make a proper tutorial. instead what we got was Accessibility changes.....

[Legion88]

If theyre a mentor then yes.. d/c and being kick will result in a 30min punishment.. if theyre not a mentor then no they'll be just fine.. this post is about fixing unsync an mentors not punishing the rest of players.. just those who agreed to do more for the community..

I like this idea. Maybe you should include everyone in the duty, so not only the mentor is motivated to teach but also the other people are motivated to learn.
And the lockout should be applied for everyone leaving the duty without a clear, so lockout for D/C, lockout for kick, lockout for leaving, lockout for vote abbandon, lockout for running out of time, also double the lockout for everyone without a clear already.
This will motivate everyone in the party to do their best to clear the fight and prepare, especially the first timers and newcommers.

While we are on the lockout anyway, why not change the normal lockout reset also to weekly?
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Also please stop being a mentor, when you fail already at the stage of teaching people common sense and the common courtesy of the community and how it handles different content.
This whole thread is evidence enough that you yourself don't understand what it means to be a mentor.
If the tool doesn't work like it should you are thinking about punishing the user instead of fixing the tool.
The better way to fix this would be to put every Extreme and Ballad and how they are called back into the "High-End Duties" section of the DF and remove them from the mentor roulette.
But for you the mentors are just a tool that has to be fixed, but you don't notice that they are just the users and the DF and roulettes are the real tools.

[EverQuest]

This idea is bad.

Additionally this game is face roll 99% of the time. Savage stuff is pretty easy to be honest, and ultimates are artificially hard more like a test of can you find 8 people of being able to do mechanics for 20 minutes straight.

People flop around in titatna ex forever even after the mechanics are explained. The problem isn't knowledge of the fights it's that usually its not understood via chat. Maybe add voice chat in game.