I don't understand it, I just do not understand it!

[Angelhearth]

That's why I'm in this discussion.
I'm part of the problem you are so mad about and wanted to explain you why I "destroy" the market.

And it is quite simple, I don't care about money in this game. And many other don't care too, because there is nothing you can do with money.

And if you want to play the market game, then feel free to do it.
I have to deal with bad players who don't even know their class in savage content and you have to deal with player you don't know how to play the market board successful.
Everyone has to deal with some sort of bad players.

Do you sell 2 - 3 times 99 of a raw material, 10-15% under market value, don't check the history of what you're selling, and think you'll make a ton of quick GIL? No? Why are you in this thread then? If you sell what your retainer got from the last quick exploration, or what dropped at the last raid, I'm not talking about you. I don't sell much armor or weapons, it's an insane market I try to stay away from (except when my retainers find something worth more in GIL than in Company Seals). I'm talking about regular sellers of raw materials etc., that will do some insane stuff on the market that defies all logic. Normally I can clean it up after them, but sometimes it isn't worth it. I had a lucrative business selling full stacks of Oak Logs, kept the market stable, and made 300-400 gil per log in stacks of 99, until some guy saw a nice market, and jumped in, underbidding in large percentages. When I had forced him far enough down, I bought the few stacks he had, plus everything else under ~400 and started selling again. And he came back, the same guy, doing the same thing, so I dumped 2-3000 oak logs on the market at 149 GIL and left it. As I've tried saying, I don't go into the market unless I have at least 2000 of the raw material, or raw material to make 20 or more of a product, in my inventory. I keep 2 bags full of stuff just for the market, anyone buys, I refill it within minutes, anyone lowers their prices, I'll see it within an hour (16 hours a day, no I don't play actively that long, but my character is AFK in my house, next to the bell).

[Darkmoonrise]

This thread title is the most accurate title possible. You don’t understand that people don’t care. And yet it’s an easy concept to grasp.
Maybe a less diplomatic way:

• People don’t care if you think you don’t make enough profit.
• You care about the market, but the market doesn’t care about you.
• People don’t care what your goal is.

Oh and by the way, you manipulating the price of raw mats is ok, but other lowering the price of what you sell isn’t? It's an awesome mental gymnastics you’re doing here. It looks like you don’t care about other doing profit too. wink! wink!

And I do it, if the price is way too low. Otherwise, if we're talking raw materials, I normally force the price down, down, down, and then buy, leaving them looking silly when I up the prices again, and they are out, because they went into the market with just a couple of hundred of them, while I never go in with less than 2 full stacks.

[Themarvin]

I give up on this community. It's like you guys either don't want to earn money, don't want others to make money, don't give a rats ass and just arbitrarily set prices, or don't have the intellect to understand how to trade.

ps
You obviously haven't read the other posts in this tread. I make lots of money, that's not the problem.

No you absolutely don't grasp what markets is about, markets is competetion, if want to sell extreme amounts at a lower cost than you to be benefit the customer I would and will, I would see not interest in undercutting you by 1 gil... I would just undercut but 15-20%, to make the sale go fast... if you end buying it up, I would just keep on putting up at that price to eventually win the market by competetion... also it is not to be cared about... just because YOU set a price does not mean it is the right one... if I sell stacks of 99% I sure give a huge discount to let them people take them things off the market for me for their personal use, but I also put up stacks of 10 for a much more steep price and it sells easy that way too as often people don't want to pay for a full stack more than what per item the small stack cost.

Trust me I earn tonnes of gil in this game, tonnes of it... I actually don't know what I am going to use them for either, first I am able to move items fast off my retainers with sharp prices and offers most can't refuse... I seel the same item for 5K and 8K on two different retainers as well, to be able to cater for those that just need a little and dont mind to pay more... and the rest for a good discount for those that need it in huge amounts.

My guess is, that you are burning yourself in with items, because you keep buying up haiving a thing margain of profit, while you pay the ones who sell cheapers house.

[Nixxe]

I have to deal with bad players who don't even know their class in savage content

Join a static that is at a skill level you deem acceptable.

[Kleeya]

Each time i see someone not understanding how some people can cut prices so much and still make a living of it, i wonder where they live irl for not having any discount stores around them, and not even knowing what it is XD

Who do you think did make the more money these last days :

- me, selling each day several items stacks for 99 000 gils ;
- the other "but undercutting is bad !" players who price the same thing for 130 000 and didn't make any sales for a whole week ?

If in the merchant course you want in your first post, they are telling you that there is no money at all to be made by selling quickly tons of units at low prices to an extended customers base, and that selling less items at high prices to richest people is the only way to go, then don't listen to it, it is a bad one. Unless of course all these discount stores i see irl are some sort hallucination i have, and that in fact they don't exist at all.

[Nixxe]

Who do you think did make the more money these last days :

- me, selling each day several items stacks for 99 000 gils ;
- the other "but undercutting is bad !" players who price the same thing for 130 000 and didn't make any sales for a whole week ?

I know that's how you think the market works, but realistically I probably make more than you by having the smallest bit of patience and simply letting your stupid stacks be bought up before continuing to sell my own higher priced stacks.

[Angelhearth]

Oh and by the way, you manipulating the price of raw mats is ok, but other lowering the price of what you sell isn’t? It's an awesome mental gymnastics you’re doing here. It looks like you don’t care about other doing profit too. wink! wink!

After they destroyed the market for me, why should I care about them? And I did it very openly, dumping the prices to a level where even an imbecile should understand I don't want to compete, just dump. That would have meant, to me, that it was an opportunity to buy. Most players don't understand that. If the prices are too low, buy. You might not make a profit as big as if you gathered, but you would make a nice profit nevertheless.

[Angelhearth]

My guess is, that you are burning yourself in with items, because you keep buying up haiving a thing margain of profit, while you pay the ones who sell cheapers house.

Actually, no. At times I have 4000+ items, but they will sell, sooner or later, if you have patience. And patience is what gives you the largest profit, over time. Those people that have 200, 300, 400, even 1000 million, do you think they got it buy dumping stuff all the time? They found niches, maintain those niches, and sell at a regular pace.

[Angelhearth]

I know that's how you think the market works, but realistically I probably make more than you by having the smallest bit of patience and simply letting your stupid stacks be bought up before continuing to sell my own higher priced stacks.

Agree 100%. I make at least 1 million a day, nett, during weekends, much more, because I have patience. And when sometimes the prices plummet too much, and there are too many sellers (I don't want to buy up a thousand or more at a time), I just wait, until they're tired of gathering, which they quickly become, and take it back, or I change to another item.

[Darkmoonrise]

Oh, why you do it is absolutely not relevant. You don’t care about others like others don’t care about you. I withdraw what I said, the thread’s title is not accurate at all. It should be: “I don’t understand that people have other goal than mine”.

You know, you’re part of “the people”, you’re not outstanding the masses, you’re neither more intelligent nor more stupid than the crowd you’re part of. Everything you explain here is basic, simple, rudimentary market theory, no rocket science involved here. Everybody understands it and everybody is capable of applying it in game. But not everybody has the same goal than you. It’s that simple. Nobody here is your enemy. Nobody is sitting in a dark cave laughing out loud: “I destroyed FFXIV market, mouahahah! Screw you, Angelhearth!”.

We’re all gamers, playing the game as we see it, with our own goal. Yes, those goals collide each other, and that’s good, that’s called social interaction. Your goal to make the biggest profit possible collides with the goal of someone wanting to get ride of its stuff as quickly as possible. That’s reality of life. You need to accept it because it's not going to change, never.

But with what I read on your last messages, it seems that your inner pressure went down and that’s good. Maybe you just needed to rant a little bit because you burnt yourself on the market. Hope that exposing your frustration and your wealth helped you and that you can go back to do what you like with a lighter mood

Farewell to you, market guy!