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    'Fairly' solid grasp. Hebe

    I see what you did there.
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    The dialogue choices are already fine as they are. Give me branching dialogues and maybe slightly different outcomes instead. You know, real choice.
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    Ah, you're one of those types. That explains it.

    I suppose you're free to pretend as though the game is lacking in nuance and different perspectives if that makes you happy, though not everybody is going to stand with you on that.
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    Yup, as and when it suits, the "established tone" is muh hugbox "heroic fantasy". Adult daycare with rainbows.
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    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    It'd be an optional dialogue choice that people could avoid picking if they do not feel that it reflects their character's personality. Much the same way that if their character isn't silly, then they can avoid picking the dialogue options that are clearly written to be that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It'd be an optional dialogue choice that people could avoid picking if they do not feel that it reflects their character's personality. Much the same way that if their character isn't silly, then they can avoid picking the dialogue options that are clearly written to be that way.
    It's a waste of coding time. Some of the choice dialogue I envision the OP desiring would be anathema to the game itself, and would certainly create a reputation as "that kind of game".

    While we are at it, can I have an option in-game to turn all of the characters and scenery into World of Warcraft clones? It would be optional, and a toggle, so only those who chose it would see it? Can I, huh, can I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    It's a waste of coding time. Some of the choice dialogue I envision the OP desiring would be anathema to the game itself, and would certainly create a reputation as "that kind of game".

    While we are at it, can I have an option in-game to turn all of the characters and scenery into World of Warcraft clones? It would be optional, and a toggle, so only those who chose it would see it? Can I, huh, can I?
    Anything I don't like = waste of coding time.

    Okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It'd be an optional dialogue choice that people could avoid picking if they do not feel that it reflects their character's personality. Much the same way that if their character isn't silly, then they can avoid picking the dialogue options that are clearly written to be that way.
    The problem here is that the WoL isn't /our/ character. Much in the same way that Shepard from Mass Effect doesn't truly belong to the player either, Paragon or Renegade. The WoL has a base personality of a hero that is kept throughout the storyline - a snarky, tired, and PTSD ridden hero but a hero none the less. Having this basic template in mind is useful when writing scenarios for the WoL and how they'd react within a certain frame of reference.

    What OP is asking for is to have the option to make the WoL basically be so completely unaligned with the heroes' journey the WoL is taking that at a certain point you'd have to wonder why they'd even be participating in the plot to begin with. Or, more importantly, why the Scion's would be okay with it either because I can't see any of them willingly working with such a character based on their reactions to known murder hobos in the actual narrative. Which then would cause debate about why we can't change the story to fit us better and it's just one hell of a slippery slope that doesn't need to be considered.

    You can headcanon your WoL as being different, I certainly do, but from a pure writing perspective it's a recipe for disaster if the writers start trying to accommodate everyone when they've already built the basis of a personality to help their narrative along.
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    Last edited by Enla; 09-09-2020 at 07:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmetOtter View Post
    Dear SE,
    Not all of us look at our toons and see a noble "warrior of light" hero and all that blah blah blah

    I am a murder hobo. Point me at what you want dead and pay me, or else.
    Perhaps you are that, but the main character in FF14 is not. There are games where you can play a bad guy. This is not one of those games, nor is it supposed to be,
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    Last edited by MistakeNot; 09-09-2020 at 08:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    Perhaps you are that, but the main character in FF14 is not. There are games where you can play a bad guy. This is not one of those games, nor is it supposed to be,
    I mean, i kinda do want to revive amaurot but only cause then i would regain my whole power, and having enough aether to summon with a simply thought and a snap of my fingers sounds more fun, plus i will be able to recreate every spell in existence. Man i wish i could be unnerfed summoner
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