DRK skill: Living Dead

[SomeRandomHuman]

Both WAR and GNB have self healing skills, and if you defeat the enemies in that time, you're good.
If DRK does it, they're dead either way.

It wouldn't be fool proof.
DRK too could only recover a fraction of their HP, which would mean they'd have to conserve MP in advance to survive, which is unlikely, but at least it would be possible.
Plus losing all that MP is still a penalty as you need MP for TBN.

Abyssal drain is a very potent self-healing ability that, when used properly, is capable of healing a similar amount of hp to a WAR's chaotic cyclone as well as soul eater having the same hp restoration as Storm's Path so WAR and GNB being able to self-heal is a moot point.

Then when we're talking about MP conversion then why should PLD not have their MP used for hallowed?

My point is: All the tank invulns should just be the flat 10 seconds of invuln on the... is it 10ish minutes CD? I appreciate that they tried to keep to the job theme, but Hallowed Ground is the only Invuln CD that doesn't have some kind of functionality issue.

[RyuDragnier]

Abyssal drain is a very potent self-healing ability that, when used properly, is capable of healing a similar amount of hp to a WAR's chaotic cyclone as well as soul eater having the same hp restoration as Storm's Path so WAR and GNB being able to self-heal is a moot point.

Yes, Abyssal Drain is a very "potent" 200 potency heal that is SO useful on a single target enemy.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Yes, Abyssal Drain is a very "potent" 200 potency heal that is SO useful on a single target enemy.

I wasn't aware we were discussing single target. I was discussing under the pretense of AoE.

[WhyAmIHere]

Abyssal drain is a very potent self-healing ability that, when used properly, is capable of healing a similar amount of hp to a WAR's chaotic cyclone as well as soul eater having the same hp restoration as Storm's Path so WAR and GNB being able to self-heal is a moot point.

Then when we're talking about MP conversion then why should PLD not have their MP used for hallowed?

My point is: All the tank invulns should just be the flat 10 seconds of invuln on the... is it 10ish minutes CD? I appreciate that they tried to keep to the job theme, but Hallowed Ground is the only Invuln CD that doesn't have some kind of functionality issue.

>AD heals as much as chaotic cyclone
Bro do you even tank?
WAR has Thrill, Nascent, and Equilibrium as self-heals, all of which make AD look like an infant in scale to how powerful they are.
"...10 seconds of invuln on the... is it 10ish minutes CD?"
...yeah you don't know tanks. NONE of the tanks invulns have a recast of 10 minutes. We've got Holmgang at 4min, Living Dead at 5min, Superbolide at 6min, and Hallowed at 7min recast.

[SomeRandomHuman]

>AD heals as much as chaotic cyclone
Bro do you even tank?
WAR has Thrill, Nascent, and Equilibrium as self-heals, all of which make AD look like an infant in scale to how powerful they are.
"...10 seconds of invuln on the... is it 10ish minutes CD?"
...yeah you don't know tanks. NONE of the tanks invulns have a recast of 10 minutes. We've got Holmgang at 4min, Living Dead at 5min, Superbolide at 6min, and Hallowed at 7min recast.

Pardon me for not knowing the specific CD timer of a specific ability off of the top of my head in a role I don't play as often as others.

However, I am aware that for self-healing DRK doesn't have much but that doesn't change much of anything since I've seen AD heal a pretty crazy amount of HP on large mob packs.

But hey, I'm trying to be civil. Not fling subtle insults. Please do come back when you're done with them. :3

[WhyAmIHere]

Pardon me for not knowing the specific CD timer of a specific ability off of the top of my head in a role I don't play as often as others.

However, I am aware that for self-healing DRK doesn't have much but that doesn't change much of anything since I've seen AD heal a pretty crazy amount of HP on large mob packs.

But hey, I'm trying to be civil. Not fling subtle insults. Please do come back when you're done with them. :3

maybe if you can be less disingenuous? You claimed DRK had a good healing ability in Abyssal Drain. You compared it to chaotic cyclone. Chaotic Cyclone by itself doesn't even heal, it only does when used with nascent flash. You did not clarify you meant single target nor AoE, so that miscommunication is also your fault.

You demonstrated a clear lack of understanding on a matter, and I called out your lack of understanding on it, and instead of just saying "My bad, I don't really tank much" and move along, you wanna act like a victim, "how dare I be insulted?!" You made a mistake, I called you wrong. Being told you're wrong isn't an insult, get over it.

[SomeRandomHuman]

maybe if you can be less disingenuous? You claimed DRK had a good healing ability in Abyssal Drain. You compared it to chaotic cyclone. Chaotic Cyclone by itself doesn't even heal, it only does when used with nascent flash. You did not clarify you meant single target nor AoE, so that miscommunication is also your fault.

You demonstrated a clear lack of understanding on a matter, and I called out your lack of understanding on it, and instead of just saying "My bad, I don't really tank much" and move along, you wanna act like a victim, "how dare I be insulted?!" You made a mistake, I called you wrong. Being told you're wrong isn't an insult, get over it.

I presumed that everyone present knew that by context I was referring to chaotic cyclone under the effects of nascent. As someone who tanks I'd expect you to piece that together without needing to be told directly.

>AD heals as much as chaotic cyclone
Bro do you even tank?
...yeah you don't know tanks..

These comments weren't needed and made you come off as condescending, so please do pardon me for not being fond of condescending tones.

As for taking being told I'm wrong for an insult? Well I dunno what logic you're using, but I'm not bothered by being called out. We're all guilty of making mistakes and that's just reality. Anyone claiming otherwise is just full of hot air.

There's times where I think most of us forums goers ask ourselves your forum name. Oh well. Forums can be endearing I guess.

[Hycinthus]

I think with a lot of new players nowadays, there should be an in-game tutorial that teaches the abilities of other jobs that you need to watch out for.

Things like: stand in these circles for heals, don’t run away from this green/red tethers because they are helpful to you, and yes, those unique tank abilities such as LD.

I’ve had cases in the past where healers get frustrated why I kept dying immediately, but it’s because they just don’t know LD. Similarly, I also did not fully understand healer or other mechanics.

Of course we can always just research from youtube, but to be honest I think majority of players don’t check out forums or youtube to do research.

[WhyAmIHere]

These comments weren't needed and made you come off as condescending, so please do pardon me for not being fond of condescending tones.

I presumed that everyone present knew that by context I was referring to chaotic cyclone under the effects of nascent. As someone who tanks I'd expect you to piece that together without needing to be told directly.

Now who's condescending?

Good job pointing out the irony of my forum name though, been waiting for that to happen. Also good job on keeping this civil, but..

The onus of providing context is on the originator of the argument. This fault lies in you for 1) being misinformed as to what the tank invulns are, 2) being incorrect and inaccurate as to what the abilities and strengths/weaknesses are with DRK and Abyssal Drain when compared to the other tanks forms of self sustain, 3) not up-front admitting that you're speaking on a subject you're ill-informed of, and 4) failure to see the own flaws inherent in your arguments by making assumptions at all.

This is General Discussion, an area where more often than not players from all spectrums of play types would see. It is not the tanking section, where a modicum of understanding for how the tanks operate is appreciated.

I do want to counter your earlier comment though, even further.

However, I am aware that for self-healing DRK doesn't have much but that doesn't change much of anything since I've seen AD heal a pretty crazy amount of HP on large mob packs.

You're comparing a 60s recast oGCD ability with the pairing of a 25s recast oGCD (Nascent Flash) paired with a GCD AoE move that is reliant on Infuriate and beast gauge... that can also be ignored via Inner Release if you want to instead rely on Decimate. Comparing a single oGCD which is up every minute, to 3 uses of a GCD under the effects of Nascent is a literal apples to oranges comparison to be made.

I'm done derailing this thread proving you were wrong. LD is a garbage skill and is the punchline to the joke that is DRK in 5.x.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Now who's condescending?

Good job pointing out the irony of my forum name though, been waiting for that to happen. Also good job on keeping this civil, but..

The onus of providing context is on the originator of the argument. This fault lies in you for 1) being misinformed as to what the tank invulns are, 2) being incorrect and inaccurate as to what the abilities and strengths/weaknesses are with DRK and Abyssal Drain when compared to the other tanks forms of self sustain, 3) not up-front admitting that you're speaking on a subject you're ill-informed of, and 4) failure to see the own flaws inherent in your arguments by making assumptions at all.

This is General Discussion, an area where more often than not players from all spectrums of play types would see. It is not the tanking section, where a modicum of understanding for how the tanks operate is appreciated.

I do want to counter your earlier comment though, even further.


You're comparing a 60s recast oGCD ability with the pairing of a 25s recast oGCD (Nascent Flash) paired with a GCD AoE move that is reliant on Infuriate and beast gauge... that can also be ignored via Inner Release if you want to instead rely on Decimate. Comparing a single oGCD which is up every minute, to 3 uses of a GCD under the effects of Nascent is a literal apples to oranges comparison to be made.

I'm done derailing this thread proving you were wrong. LD is a garbage skill and is the punchline to the joke that is DRK in 5.x.

I thank you for putting up with my stubborn antics and showing me the error of my thinking. I've everything leveled to 80 and, as expected, my intel on each given job ranges from basic rotations to more in-depth mechanical understanding and everything in between.

I do however, wish to apologize for any headache I've ushered upon you!