Frustrating relative lack of LGBT NPCs in this game

[Puremallace]

I love how the reddit post mentions the Azim Steppe when the Dotharl, as mentioned by Enla, can be found there. XD

That's the goal of this post. OP mentions that they're LGBT POC so that when people point out that they're a troll, there will be others defending the OP, and the OP can just default that the community is toxic/hateful. I was baited by one of the OP's other thread where they ignore all proper solutions and focus on the replies that agree with them. RagingStallion's threads were more obviously trolly. This one can probably start a hate war if it gets out of hand.

The troll level is pretty impressive honestly. Kind of admire it.

On the subject we do not really know the backstories of multiple different "main characters" sex lives. Thancred is obviously straight and rest are a guess. I mean Shiva was into dragons so I guess that community is represented!?!?!?

OH OHHHH OHHHH Viera!! Literally an entire race of females isolated in the woods that reproduce somehow!! Aren't Rothgar all males?!?!? There you go.

[Gothicshark]

You know this borders on a supremacist talking point? .

It doesn't, and it's been proven scientifically that Gay Males are better at expressing and reading emotion than Heterosexual Males, which gives them a clear advantage in certain professions, such as acting, and the arts. This isn't considered Supremacist, as plenty of Heterosexual men have done well in the Arts, including Acting. The slight advantage Gay men have is slight and not a significant advantage. Human variation in the world shows that some groups have natural advantages do to specific traits in certain industries, this is just an example of evolution and what makes each group unique and valuable.

Think OMG gay men are more in touch with their emotions means straight men are somehow disadvantaged is stupid. It just means that straight men who want to understand emotions better have to work a little harder to be just as good at it as gay men, and plenty of straight men go the extra mile to understand emotions, mostly so they can relate to the women in their lives, but they can an do.

[Iscah]

It doesn't, and it's been proven scientifically that Gay Males are better at expressing and reading emotion than Heterosexual Males, which gives them a clear advantage in certain professions, such as acting, and the arts. This isn't considered Supremacist, as plenty of Heterosexual men have done well in the Arts, including Acting. The slight advantage Gay men have is slight and not a significant advantage. Human variation in the world shows that some groups have natural advantages do to specific traits in certain industries, this is just an example of evolution and what makes each group unique and valuable.

Think OMG gay men are more in touch with their emotions means straight men are somehow disadvantaged is stupid. It just means that straight men who want to understand emotions better have to work a little harder to be just as good at it as gay men, and plenty of straight men go the extra mile to understand emotions, mostly so they can relate to the women in their lives, but they can an do.

I don't know who did the "scientific proving" but there may be a danger in assuming that the reason they are better at those things is directly because they are gay.

There is perhaps a correlation between "men who are in touch with their emotions" and "men who identify as gay", and the advantage is not given by being gay but by being in touch with their emotions. Therefore if you compare gay vs straight then a larger proportion of in-touch-with-emotions people are going to be in the gay group, skewing the results to appear that it has an advantage over straight, when actually a sensitive person is going to perform well regardless of their orientation.

[Melichoir]

It doesn't, and it's been proven scientifically that Gay Males are better at expressing and reading emotion than Heterosexual Males, which gives them a clear advantage in certain professions, such as acting, and the arts. This isn't considered Supremacist, as plenty of Heterosexual men have done well in the Arts, including Acting. The slight advantage Gay men have is slight and not a significant advantage. Human variation in the world shows that some groups have natural advantages do to specific traits in certain industries, this is just an example of evolution and what makes each group unique and valuable.

You are bordering on a surpemacist argument because you are collectivizing and stereotyping by an immutable trait. "X" group is better/superior at "Y" through causation. Iscah has a big right of it, conflating causation with correlation is a problem.

And even when you do this, you back peddle a bit by undercutting your initial point by saying that "It is slight and not a significant advantage". Which seems to indicate that either the data itself is inconclusive due to lack of sample size or some other factor, its correlation and not causation, or that the advantage isnt even worth mentioning because it has no statistical importance or bearing on any discussion. This brings up the obvious question of "If its not important or so statistically small to be irrelevant, why even bring it up and phrase in the manner you did? Why does it even matter in this discussion?"

Think OMG gay men are more in touch with their emotions means straight men are somehow disadvantaged is stupid. It just means that straight men who want to understand emotions better have to work a little harder to be just as good at it as gay men, and plenty of straight men go the extra mile to understand emotions, mostly so they can relate to the women in their lives, but they can an do.

Then why are you even bringing this up if its case by case. Furthermore, this is literally the "Gay men are more emotional" Trope. You are talking again in terms of collectivism about very subjective concepts and phrasing it (at best) poorly.

Lets take this and apply it to the discussion: Are gay men not being accurately depicted then if the gay character in the game is more emotionally closed off?

[Esmoire]

Yeah I would like to see some more queer representation in FFXIV. I actually feel rather satisfied with regards to gender identity, so I would like some same sex romance happening in an important story. I hope Eden isn't queer bait!

[Eien713]

I'm aware this is a troll thread but I'll post this anyway. Honest question(s) here: Do minorities need to be represented in every possible medium and work for them to feel validated? Even works that aren't remotely about them and/or their struggles? Isn't feeling validated something that stems from within? I understand they want to be accepted by society for who they are, but is this the way to achieve that? Will being included in every possible medium really change people's opinions or win their acceptance?

This is a game. A fantasy game where no one gives a damn about sexuality as it literally plays 0 role is the story. Who cares if a character is hetero, gay, bi, etc.? This is not what matters in this game or what defines the characters. Everything is about the story. Let's not shoehorn something that's not important to this particular game's story into it. If it happens naturally or plays a role in it, I'm all for it. After all, my headcanon is that 2 certain characters in the bard's later questline have a thing for each other :P But otherwise, don't include it just for the sake of including it. I see a lot of shows "include" or "represent" minorities, but a lot of the time, it feels like they only do it to appeal to a certain audience and that's literally it. Like others said: a checkbox to tick. No noble or grand purpose behind it. I'd rather the characters have more going for them than being token characters.

And what's this about Emet being queer or bi or whatever? Now we're reaching a bit. When I played the game, I didn't get this from him at all. He was just eccentric. That's the only way I can describe him. That's a trait that anyone can have. It's not exclusive to one group or another. Again, let's look at the game for what it is and is about. A fantasy story. One that's certainly not about sexuality.

As for gay or bi people being better at certain things than hetero folks, I'd say this is not related to their sexuality. Some people are better at certain things than others. That's just how it is. It has absolutely nothing to do with their sexual orientation. I'm sorry, but I've never heard something this absurd before. Like, what's the science or logic behind it?
Edit: Even after reading the explanation, I still find it nonsense.

[Theodric]

Ryne and Gaia are both underage, so hopefully it turns out that they're just good friends...which is exactly how I read things between them during the Eden quests.

If we do happen to get a gay romance between two fairly important characters in the future? Great! Hopefully we do and it'll be handled tastefully. Let's just stick to shipping adult characters, though.

[Shalan]

yah, just remember as Emperor, he set up a theater troop, gave them an airship flying fortress, and told them to enjoy the world. No straight guy would ever do that.

Hope this is sarcasm otherwise...
TIL straight people can't be eccentric or passionate about the arts.

[usernameuwu]

It doesn't, and it's been proven scientifically that Gay Males are better at expressing and reading emotion than Heterosexual Males, which gives them a clear advantage in certain professions, such as acting, and the arts. This isn't considered Supremacist, as plenty of Heterosexual men have done well in the Arts, including Acting. The slight advantage Gay men have is slight and not a significant advantage. Human variation in the world shows that some groups have natural advantages do to specific traits in certain industries, this is just an example of evolution and what makes each group unique and valuable.

Think OMG gay men are more in touch with their emotions means straight men are somehow disadvantaged is stupid. It just means that straight men who want to understand emotions better have to work a little harder to be just as good at it as gay men, and plenty of straight men go the extra mile to understand emotions, mostly so they can relate to the women in their lives, but they can an do.

[Edax]

Yeah I would like to see some more queer representation in FFXIV. I actually feel rather satisfied with regards to gender identity, so I would like some same sex romance happening in an important story. I hope Eden isn't queer bait!

There's barely any straight representation either in FFXIV. Do we have to shove more romance into this game so straight people can feel more represented and comfortable?