Frustrating relative lack of LGBT NPCs in this game

[Kiurai]

Oh my Lord he necrod a thread back to the fold

[CazzT]

Oh my Lord he necrod a thread back to the fold

It's less than a month old. That's not necroing a thread.

[WhiteArchmage]

NO company should be concerned about it unless that is their focus. SquareEnix makes games. They aren't a company founded, or focusing, on LGBT issues. Stop shoving your politics into everything and everywhere it has no place to be.

Ah, yes, the FAMOUSLY apolitical SquareEnix, who donated to Black Lives Matter months ago, who made SEVERAL games about taking down an authoritarian empire, whose game that YOU'RE playing is FILLED with politics: including the dangers of authoritarianism, the plight of political refugees, class disparity, race discrimination, ACTUALLY has LGB characters and options for player characters...

Gosh, politics have NO room in a SquareEnix game, not when 7 had a clear anti-pollution, anti-monopoly message, or every Yasumi Matsuno game ever (Yoshi-P's a big fan of Matsuno btw); Matsuno, who literally based his games on the Yugoslav War (Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre). No, damn, Politics have NO room in video games.

(Note: I know this is a troll thread but this is just willful ignorance. People don't actually CARE when games get political, they just get mad when it's not THEIR views)

[Driavna]

Ah, yes, the FAMOUSLY apolitical SquareEnix, who donated to Black Lives Matter months ago, who made SEVERAL games about taking down an authoritarian empire, whose game that YOU'RE playing is FILLED with politics: including the dangers of authoritarianism, the plight of political refugees, class disparity, race discrimination, ACTUALLY has LGB characters and options for player characters...

Gosh, politics have NO room in a SquareEnix game, not when 7 had a clear anti-pollution, anti-monopoly message, or every Yasumi Matsuno game ever (Yoshi-P's a big fan of Matsuno btw); Matsuno, who literally based his games on the Yugoslav War (Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre). No, damn, Politics have NO room in video games.

(Note: I know this is a troll thread but this is just willful ignorance. People don't actually CARE when games get political, they just get mad when it's not THEIR views)

I don't agree with you. I care when is no longer a work of art but propaganda. Art is open to my interpretation, while propaganda hammer the point home to ensure I recieve a very specific message.

[WhiteArchmage]

I don't agree with you. People care when is no longer a work of art but propaganda.

Art is open to interpretation while propaganda hammer the point home to ensure the viewer receive the message.

Way to miss the point. Of the critical and audience favorites we have games that are VERY political: Persona 5, Bioshock, the whole Metal Gear Solid series (in which Kojima will stop the game for 30 minutes to give a "War is Bad" lecture each game), InFamous (government overreach), Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines (the first, it takes A LOT of potshots at the Bush administration), The first The Last of Us (the whole quarantine zones, firefly rebellion, Tommy's independent settlement), and, again, this very game (Literal Shadow conspiracy pulling the threads of governments for millenia).

And people's tolerance for what stops being "art" and starts being "propaganda" is very different. If you don't agree with something, seeing it represented makes you yell "propaganda" or "indoctrination", but if you agree with it, it's "accurate representation". Heck, art is deeply political by itself, seeing as how writers and playwrights had to make nice with their sponsors (usually kings or nobility) to get funds or simply not be killed (see: all of Shakespeare's plays around the kings of Britain).

[Driavna]

Way to miss the point. Of the critical and audience favorites we have games that are VERY political: Persona 5, Bioshock, the whole Metal Gear Solid series (in which Kojima will stop the game for 30 minutes to give a "War is Bad" lecture each game), InFamous (government overreach), Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines (the first, it takes A LOT of potshots at the Bush administration), The first The Last of Us (the whole quarantine zones, firefly rebellion, Tommy's independent settlement), and, again, this very game (Literal Shadow conspiracy pulling the threads of governments for millenia).

And people's tolerance for what stops being "art" and starts being "propaganda" is very different. If you don't agree with something, seeing it represented makes you yell "propaganda" or "indoctrination", but if you agree with it, it's "accurate representation". Heck, art is deeply political by itself, seeing as how writers and playwrights had to make nice with their sponsors (usually kings or nobility) to get funds or simply not be killed (see: all of Shakespeare's plays around the kings of Britain).

Why you are assuming a lot of stuff about me for no apparent reason?

This is my way of thinking: when is so "in your face" or "the message we are trying to send is more important than everything else" I no longer find it enjoyable. That's why I never liked those religious cartoons when I was a kid. Is also why I like The Orville (even when they also have some episodes that are somewhat in your face too. For example, I did not like how they handle "social media bad" with a certain episode, even if I agree with their point of view.) but dislike any of the recent Star Trek stuff.

[Iscah]

The existence of LGBT+ people, and the acknowledgement that they exist and that some people simply are attracted that way, is not in itself political.

It has been made into a political issue by people who draw political party lines across every issue.

Prettymuch everything is "political" these days.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The existence of LGBT+ people, and the acknowledgement that they exist and that some people simply are attracted that way, is not in itself political.

It has been made into a political issue by people who draw political party lines across every issue.

Prettymuch everything is "political" these days.

Unfortunately. At some point I'm sure we will have political lines drawn around whether or not the sky is blue.

[Mhaeric]

Unfortunately. At some point I'm sure we will have political lines drawn around whether or not the sky is blue.

Technically it's more of a cyan. Gauntlet thrown.

[Edax]

The existence of LGBT+ people, and the acknowledgement that they exist and that some people simply are attracted that way, is not in itself political.

Even that's a stretch. Even acknowledging their existence in media can get called out by political pundits.

https://youtu.be/Ite2Y4z4TiM?t=261