Frustrating relative lack of LGBT NPCs in this game

[Curisu]

Well, how big is the lgbt community in the real world?
1%? Maybe less?

That means from 100 NPCs one is part of it.
So to meet 2 we have to meet about 200 different NPCs.

Also, they are normal just like everyone else, so from the small interactions we have with random NPCs we can Not say if the are LBGDT or not.
And if I remember right, then we already have met a few gay NPCs.
Well the whole azim step is full of NPCs who doesn't care about genderspezific roles.

[ForctyusGold]

i would be happy for some romance in that way via side quests o/
i dont like if it would be in main story or something, but why not === i must say i dont miss lack of LGBT NPCs because you can find those ppl behind irl characters there so uh

yep why not if someone missing them , im sure there is no way to say never

[Gothicshark]

Well, how big is the lgbt community in the real world?
1%? Maybe less?

That means from 100 NPCs one is part of it.
So to meet 2 we have to meet about 200 different NPCs.

Also, they are normal just like everyone else, so from the small interactions we have with random NPCs we can Not say if the are LBGDT or not.
And if I remember right, then we already have met a few gay NPCs.
Well the whole azim step is full of NPCs who doesn't care about genderspezific roles.

7 to 10% in the western world are out as Homosexual. The percentage of out Gay in nations where it is illegal is less than that. To get an accurate assessment of the total % of LGBTQ+ people in the world is impossible at this point in history, even in the "enlightened Western World" coming out can cost you a career, and ruin your life. I live in Los Angeles and being an Out Transgender Woman means I can no longer get a job in my chosen profession, even though I have a college education and years of experience doing the work. There is a reason only a small percentage of us are willing to come out. Trust me the numbers are much higher than you could guess.

[Melichoir]

7 to 10% in the western world are out as Homosexual. The percentage of out Gay in nations where it is illegal is less than that.

The 10% stat is by proportion, unless the argument is that certain ethnic or racial populations have statistically higher percentages of LGBT people (which could be the case but I havent seen any meaningful study which says that there is a huge statistical difference in this). Meaning, that the general go to number of "Roughly 10% of the population is LGBT" is in reference that on average, no matter where you go, thats about the break down. This number isnt 100% accurate either, as some studies have suggested LGBT pop size is as high as 20%, and some as low as 7%.

To get an accurate assessment of the total % of LGBTQ+ people in the world is impossible at this point in history, even in the "enlightened Western World" coming out can cost you a career, and ruin your life. I live in Los Angeles and being an Out Transgender Woman means I can no longer get a job in my chosen profession, even though I have a college education and years of experience doing the work. There is a reason only a small percentage of us are willing to come out. Trust me the numbers are much higher than you could guess.

Gonna be blunt and say that Im skeptical that youre not getting work cause youre Trans, cause Im also a SoCal resident in LA County area, and do active business within LA itself and the surrounding cities. I know the political and social atmosphere in SoCal here first hand as a result. And just so people understand what is being suggested, what Gothic is saying would be akin to suggesting that San Franscisco is a rightwing/conservative stronghold. I could see there being discrimination in some small town in Michigan or Alabama or something, but one of the largest urban areas in one of the most progressive states in the US? Please. So paint me skeptical with a big fat brush when the claim is that someone is being discriminated against for being transgender in SoCal at an industry level.

Just one of many resources and links that you can quickly google to help illustrate this:
https://www.aclusocal.org/en/know-yo...loyment-rights

So there is no industry within SoCal (let alone California) that would discriminate against you openly cause that is a cut and dry lawsuit waiting to happen, and I hazard that there is none that would do it as 'a widely known secret.' It's one thing to say people are jerks to you on an individual basis which very well may be the case, but it's another to be arguing that California (of many places) is somehow allowing businesses and industries just openly discriminate against you employment wise. If it is the way you say, then what are you doing sitting here writing out posts on this forum and not getting a Civil Right Lawyer and suing the hell out of people for refusing to hire you for being openly trans. Again, this would be a cut and dry case in SoCal here if you knew it to be a fact.

[Shalan]

Most every report, study, and/or poll I've seen has LGBT at 4.5 (U.S.) to 6% (various West-European countries). That's not just for homosexuality, that's the full spectrum outside of heterosexuality. Where are you getting 7-10% for homosexuality alone in the West overall from?

Not trying to argue, just never seen the 7-10% figure before and I couldn't find a concrete source on it. Is it just an extension of your statement about populations being afraid to come out, and you adding some percentage onto the confirmed population? Or was there a more recent study I didn't stumble across you can show?

[Gothicshark]

Gonna be blunt and say that Im skeptical that youre not getting work cause youre Trans, cause Im also a SoCal resident in LA County area, and do active business within LA itself and the surrounding cities. I know the political and social atmosphere in SoCal here first hand as a result. And just so people understand what is being suggested, what Gothic is saying would be akin to suggesting that San Franscisco is a rightwing/conservative stronghold. I could see there being discrimination in some small town in Michigan or Alabama or something, but one of the largest urban areas in one of the most progressive states in the US? Please. So paint me skeptical with a big fat brush when the claim is that someone is being discriminated against for being transgender in SoCal at an industry level.

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So there is no industry within SoCal (let alone California) that would discriminate against you openly cause that is a cut and dry lawsuit waiting to happen, and I hazard that there is none that would do it as 'a widely known secret.' It's one thing to say people are jerks to you on an individual basis which very well may be the case, but it's another to be arguing that California (of many places) is somehow allowing businesses and industries just openly discriminate against you employment wise. If it is the way you say, then what are you doing sitting here writing out posts on this forum and not getting a Civil Right Lawyer and suing the hell out of people for refusing to hire you for being openly trans. Again, this would be a cut and dry case in SoCal here if you knew it to be a fact.

Nice resource, the link doesn't actually work BTW. As to my situation, I lost my job as a Home Care worker because I started to transition, however, my former employer said it was a Voluntary Quit, I fought them in court and won, but in the end, I never got my Job back and all I got was Unemployment out of it. That was 10 years ago. The hardest part of this was the company has close ties with other Home Care companies, and they basically Black Balled me so I could never work as a Home Care Worker again in Los Angeles. Sure I could try and go back to my pre-college profession of Motorcycle Mechanics, but what are the chances a 50y.o. Transgender Woman who doesn't "pass" getting hired by a Harley-Davidson Shop. I'll wait. The laws only help you if you can afford the fight, and there is nothing you can do to use the Law to get a Job. Sure if I had a boatload of cash, I could sue everyone who didn't hire me in 2010 in all the Home Care Companies, what would that do? Nothing. They could just say any number of excuses and win. My fight with the first company taught me, I was able to win and turn the voluntary quit to being fired, but they just said there were "disciplinary issues & Clothing Issues". (none on record BTW) That was code for "they started estrogen and wore women's clothing".

[Gothicshark]

Most every report, study, and/or poll I've seen has LGBT at 4.5 (U.S.) to 6% (various West-European countries). That's not just for homosexuality, that's the full spectrum outside of heterosexuality. Where are you getting 7-10% for homosexuality alone in the West overall from?

Not trying to argue, just never seen the 7-10% figure before and I couldn't find a concrete source on it. Is it just an extension of your statement about populations being afraid to come out, and you adding some percentage onto the confirmed population? Or was there a more recent study I didn't stumble across you can show?

It comes from the first scientific study, which was done by Alfred Kinsey in the late 1940s. His study was fairly direct, and he was able to get closeted gay men to admit they were gay for the study. To date, it's the only one that got closeted men to admit a thing. There are some issues with his study, as it was done on a college campus, and so he didn't have a large sample size, nor a multi-ethnic one.

[Melichoir]

Nice resource, the link doesn't actually work BTW. As to my situation, I lost my job as a Home Care worker because I started to transition, however, my former employer said it was a Voluntary Quit, I fought them in court and won, but in the end, I never got my Job back and all I got was Unemployment out of it. That was 10 years ago. The hardest part of this was the company has close ties with other Home Care companies, and they basically Black Balled me so I could never work as a Home Care Worker again in Los Angeles. Sure I could try and go back to my pre-college profession of Motorcycle Mechanics, but what are the chances a 50y.o. Transgender Woman who doesn't "pass" getting hired by a Harley-Davidson Shop. I'll wait. The laws only help you if you can afford the fight, and there is nothing you can do to use the Law to get a Job. Sure if I had a boatload of cash, I could sue everyone who didn't hire me in 2010 in all the Home Care Companies, what would that do? Nothing. They could just say any number of excuses and win. My fight with the first company taught me, I was able to win and turn the voluntary quit to being fired, but they just said there were "disciplinary issues & Clothing Issues". (none on record BTW) That was code for "they started estrogen and wore women's clothing".

Fixed the link.

Second, you pretty much again have a lawsuit on hand if theyre discriminating against you cause your trans and you know it. And, again being socal here and knowing whats up, I am skeptical you were kept out of the industry cause youre trans. You had 1 bad employer (which Im willing to grant) but the idea that theyre so connected that the entirety of SoCal Home Care industry black balled you specifically cause they all went with "Well screw this person cause theyre trans!" Particularly since the FEHA was expanded in 2003 to include Gender Identity among other things. I know the industry isnt a million strong in California, but its upwards of 13k-ish workers at the least as of 2017 from what the stats say, with a bulk of it located in SoCal area. Given the size of SoCal itself, I am still skeptical that one company or a single employer had enough pull to make sure you never got a job anywhere else. Something here isnt adding up in your story which is why Im skeptical.

Also, going back to Harley to be a mechanic but you assume people wont hire you, again, cause youre a 50 year old trans person? Ill grant that there will likely be some bigots in the mix that you unfortunately would have to deal with, and of course you shouldnt have to, but again, the idea the 'whole industry' is saying nah to you cause your trans? Based on how you phrased what you said, it sounds like you made an assumption and didnt even try. So whos gonna hire you? I dont know, but neither do you cause you didnt try to apply it seems. You cant make assumptions about things and say thats the way it is when you never even put yourself out there. At least with your experience in home care, as skeptical as I am about some of the details, seems like you did put yourself out there for that.

Look. Im not gonna sit here and suggest youve never faced discrimination. Im well aware that there are plenty of a-holes in the world whod put you down for simply being different. However, Im reluctant to give credit to your story because it seems to hallmark perfect almost - you were attacked for being different, took it to court and one, and the evil employer black balled you from an entire industry for being trans as retaliation.

[Gothicshark]

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Well in 2010, the industry was quite small in the San Fernando Valley, and the local Harley shops, and Living Support companies which said they were hiring said they had filled the position when I came to fill out applications back then. It was rather odd since there is never enough Living Support Workers in the Valley, and just happens the three companies other than JNCS were not hiring when I filled out applications. So you tell me if it's odd that companies who said they were hiring said they were full when I applied in 2010. Sure I gave up trying to find new work by 2012, by then I got my 100% Service-connected rating with the VA pushed through. So I won't have to work again and get a decent income. But from 2010 to 2012 it was difficult only with Unemployment. And not being able to find a job, when I applied everywhere, in the two professions I'm actually trained for.

[jonny2may]

Don't assume the NPC's sexual preferences :P