Frustrating relative lack of LGBT NPCs in this game

[forsakee]

Naoki Yoshida:

Change is happening. People are becoming more aware and understanding. Values do shift, but I think the pace...is very different depending on individuals. It’s a difficult and delicate situation. It requires us to understand and know how things are around the world."

Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parade:

"Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras is an LGBTQIA+ not-for-profit member-based organisation that produces the internationally recognised Mardi Gras Parade and Festival, and several other events and supportive initiatives throughout the year."

This thread, but with FFXIV's and Square-Enix's stance. Please look forward to it.

This worries me not because of "LGBQT" rights but how it's actually going to play out in the "REAL WORLD". Governments making developers change or straight up banning a video game because of some ones ideals. Plus it also go against some peoples "religions" and laws in their country. This could lead to billions lost for SE and could lead to some ff14 players being kicked off of the game due to their government.

Plus when a developer adds such content just to remove it for other versions of the same game is that really the representation you want?

[Darthgummibear]

This worries me not because of "LGBQT" rights but how it's actually going to play out in the "REAL WORLD". Governments making developers change or straight up banning a video game because of some ones ideals. Plus it also go against some peoples "religions" and laws in their country. This could lead to billions lost for SE and could lead to some ff14 players being kicked off of the game due to their government.

Plus when a developer adds such content just to remove it for other versions of the same game is that really the representation you want?

Almost every instance of corporate support for that community is tokenism or virtue signaling. They don't actually care.

[Scaramouche]

Almost every instance of corporate support for that community is tokenism or virtue signaling. They don't actually care.

They only care about what will make them lose the least amount of money.

Corporations: We support free speech, black people and minorities over the world.

Xi Jinping: ahem

Corporations: Sorry Master.

[Puksi]

They've made their decision, and it's one I applaud them for. I'm sure the money vs. doing what's right conversation happened--this is $quare after all--so I'm sure there's no need for you to worry so much on their behalf. It's good to see gaming companies growing up, tbh. If only some of the playerbase would do the same.

Edit - The "tokenism" take always amuses me. On one hand folks who make this argument will sneer that the LGBTQIA+ community is a minority and therefore requires no representation. Yet somehow, it's also influential enough to make large corporations take some kind of financial risk by treating the "minority" like people, against what they claim the "majority" wants. Maybe the majority really doesn't care so much. Maybe it's just a you problem. It must be exhausting being that invested in how other people live their lives. Exhausting, and terribly lacking in your own.

[forsakee]

They've made their decision, and it's one I applaud them for. I'm sure the money vs. doing what's right conversation happened--this is $quare after all--so I'm sure there's no need for you to worry so much on their behalf. It's good to see gaming companies growing up, tbh. If only some of the playerbase would do the same.

You didnt answer my question about companies just reverting changes,
So your okay with a company putting up 2 fronts? How do you know which stance is actually true?
Is this the representation that you desire and wont cause issues in the future?

[Puksi]

Yoshida hasn't put up two fronts. He stated his feelings on the matter very plainly, and I'm glad he doesn't share your apparent insistence that appeasing bigots is the way to go.

Edit: The poster below you used the "tokenism" complaint. And now you have my answer, so you can continue your internet life fulfilled.

[forsakee]

Edit - The "tokenism" take always amuses me. On one hand folks who make this argument will sneer that the LGBTQIA+ community is a minority and therefore requires no representation. Yet somehow, it's also influential enough to make large corporations take some kind of financial risk by treating the "minority" like people, against what they claim the "majority" wants. Maybe the majority really doesn't care so much. Maybe it's just a you problem. It must be exhausting being that invested in how other people live their lives. Exhausting, and terribly lacking in your own.

Hmmm an argument I didn't make, can you answer my question? When a company openly does 2 separate things and alternates the story for other countries is this the representation you want? and can you honestly think it wont just cause an entire host of new problems in the future.

The amount of companies doing this 2 faced BS is mind blowing, they are happy to put a LGBQT picture on their twitter profile in the US/EU but when it comes to other regions you won't see anything! While some of those countries are still killing gays for no reason.... I don't support that hypocrisy

[Xirean]

People keep bringing up companies saving money and tokenism. Do I think a corporation actually cares about this subject? No, they often only do so to make or save money. Does it mean I don't want them to do representation? Also no. If a company is going to promote LGBTQ+ stuff even if it's only during pride month then at the very least it shows that my demographic is somewhat viewed as a safe or good investment. I'd rather they do that then say, push some racist agenda.

I wish they would care more obviously, but that's more of wishing that humans would care about other humans more. I'm also getting increasingly tired of people assuming every instance of representation is tokenism or marking a checkbox. Does that happen some times? Sure. Everytime? I wouldn't say so. People brought up escapism again so I'll reiterate. Escapism is for everyone. "I don't want to see real world politics in my video games/hobbies." I feel exactly the same way, and I only feel that politics aren't there when people are represented, because then I know they aren't being excluded. Call it a fantasy where minorities are more accepted.

[IdowhatIwant]

We made it past Page 100. This can stop now.

[Raoabolic]

We made it past Page 100. This can stop now.

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