Frustrating relative lack of LGBT NPCs in this game

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I cane back hoping to see if this conversation had taken a more respectful angle and I see it hasn’t.

I’m not going to try to change anyone’s mind here because it’s clear that people are stuck in their ways and in their mindset. But there are certain things I do want to say (and screw me, but I’m unable to let my two cents go unheard. Yeowch.)

I don’t want to get into regressive conversational language (“trans women are women because they say they are women, trans men are men because they say they are men”) because while I believe this phrase in almost it’s entirety (like 99.999%, with the exceptions to this rule being people like Chris-chan who have openly stated that he transitioned specifically because he thought it would make having intercourse with ciswomen easier.) I say a LOT of this having come from similar lines of thought as many people posting in these forums - I didn’t “hate” transpeople, I just thought of them as “trans”people with a lot of caveats. So like, I understand where a lot of the conversation comes from. I was *this* close to becoming a full on TERF in 2018.

The thing with that is, logically, you CAN’T know someone is a woman or a man just by looking at them. Katie Ledecky is cisgender, and yet people consistently look at her and think she’s trans. Laverne Cox is a transwoman, would you look at her and feel comfortable with telling her to go to the mens bathroom, just because at one point she had male genetalia? Or is the cut off less so “had it in the past” and moreso “now has one”, because I’m sure a lot of men would be uncomfortable if Hunter Schafer walked into the mens bathroom.

So the question is, people who are so avidly out here being either anti-trans or trans critical, where is the line you draw? What, to you, defines woman and man?

One of the ways to put out a fire is stop feeding it fuel......

[IdowhatIwant]

It'd be nice if we could create a seperate thread to discuss it, and keep all the hate and trolling in this one

Nah gives the thread character.

So the question is, people who are so avidly out here being either anti-trans or trans critical, where is the line you draw? What, to you, defines woman and man?

I am not anti-trans. How ever I do share the same opinions as many trans people. I also believe there are a greater number of people that act trans to fit in, than people that are actually trans.

[Padudu]

It'd be nice if we could create a seperate thread to discuss it, and keep all the hate and trolling in this one

Do you know how terrible of an idea that is?

[MilkieTea]

I am not anti-trans. How ever I do share the same opinions as many trans people. I also believe there are a greater number of people that act trans to fit in, than people that are actually trans.

That is patently false. It may seem so online but generally speaking, in your day to day, you’ll more often run into a transperson than you would run into a cis-person who is actively choosing to go against their gender in order to fit in (thereby giving themselves the same exact problem which plagues transpeople.)

[Nekokaori]

What you talking about every male npc in the game is gay its final fantasy there are no straight guys in final fantasy they all either bi or gay

[MilkieTea]

Do you know how terrible of an idea that is?

Oh dear god please do NOT make another thread for this.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Let's make another thread at page 100 and see if this baby can run on both engines.

[Oizen]

It'd be nice if we could create a seperate thread to discuss it, and keep all the hate and trolling in this one

That is an amazing idea and I fully support you in doing this.

[IdowhatIwant]

That is patently false. It may seem so online but generally speaking, in your day to day, you’ll more often run into a transperson than you would run into a cis-person who is actively choosing to go against their gender in order to fit in (thereby giving themselves the same exact problem which plagues transpeople.)

Eh I disagree with you, Gender Dysphoria is not exactly common I believe in the US it's about .3% of people deal with it. You are more likely to run into a person with autism than gender dysphoria, or both in some cases as autism tends to cause people to become hyper focused on a subject. My niece is currently going through a whole weight phase where she is super focused on peoples weight and calories of items and all that, but she also doesn't understand she cant exactly go around and call people fat or skinny either.

Let's make another thread at page 100 and see if this baby can run on both engines.

No, if we make a second thread this one stops and the second one has to reach 200 pages.

[MilkieTea]

Eh I disagree with you, Gender Dysphoria is not exactly common I believe in the US it's about .3% of people deal with it. You are more likely to run into a person with autism than gender dysphoria, or both in some cases as autism tends to cause people to become hyper focused on a subject. My niece is currently going through a whole weight phase where she is super focused on peoples weight and calories of items and all that, but she also doesn't understand she cant exactly go around and call people fat or skinny either.
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I never said it was common, though I understand the confusion as my statement was worded weird.

Reworded, it would read like this:
You are far less likely to run into someone faking being transgender (as doing so would literally give them the same feelings of dysphoria and disconnection between mind and body), than you are to run into someone who is actually transgender.