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    Player IdowhatIwant's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KariTheFox View Post
    Is this supposed to imply that if SE includes more LGBT npcs and storylines involving them, the next thing LGBT players will ask for is for straight people to be banned from FFXIV?
    How do you come up with this sort of conclusion in your head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    How do you come up with this sort of conclusion in your head?
    I'd just like to know how that image is relevant to the discussion at hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KariTheFox View Post
    Is this supposed to imply that if SE includes more LGBT npcs and storylines involving them, the next thing LGBT players will ask for is for straight people to be banned from FFXIV?
    no they're trying to say gaming is a space safe from any "other" that would be included in diversity. They're trying to imply that people say that cishets should make their own spaces and when they do that lgbtq people invade them again. It's a wild mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicalChase View Post
    no they're trying to say gaming is a space safe from any "other" that would be included in diversity. They're trying to imply that people say that cishets should make their own spaces and when they do that lgbtq people invade them again. It's a wild mentality.
    I don't know what that bold underlined word means. I assume it's derogatory in some way though.
    And no it is literally what it says it is in that title. It's the diversity life cycle... So again I don't get where you are coming up with these wild assumptions as to what it means, then saying others have a wild mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    I don't know what that bold underlined word means. I assume it's derogatory in some way though.
    And no it is literally what it says it is in that title. It's the diversity life cycle... So again I don't get where you are coming up with these wild assumptions as to what it means, then saying others have a wild mentality.
    it's not it's just the opposite of lgbt, it's short for cisgender and heterosexual. just descriptive words to describe people. Also it's literally the last part of the circle it says it right there "lol if you hate us why not make your own space"
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    I don't know what that bold underlined word means. I assume it's derogatory in some way though.
    And no it is literally what it says it is in that title. It's the diversity life cycle... So again I don't get where you are coming up with these wild assumptions as to what it means, then saying others have a wild mentality.
    It’s literally cisgender heterosexual. The prefix cis being the opposite of trans in Latin. It’s in no way derogatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicalChase View Post
    what do you want to be called then?
    People.
    It fazes me how you want to be more "inclusive" yet create a segregation by using pejorative terms like "cis" or "cishet"
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    Making broad generalizations about a group of people isn't a good thing to do. The way some people speak about "the cishets" is not in any way better than how homophobes broadly generalize LGBT people, I think it's understandable that such only divides people more so than it needs to. 90% of the time what they really mean to say is homophobes, but put it as a broad generalization towards such a large group of people without hesitation. There's plenty of disdain towards them as well, I've seen it in communities, as a bisexual attacks on heterosexual relationships "hurt" just as much as attacks on homosexual ones, so do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    Making broad generalizations about a group of people isn't a good thing to do. The way some people speak about "the cishets" is not in any way better than how homophobes broadly generalize LGBT people, I think it's understandable that such only divides people more so than it needs to. 90% of the time what they really mean to say is homophobes, but put it as a broad generalization towards such a large group of people without hesitation. There's plenty of disdain towards them as well, I've seen it in communities, as a bisexual attacks on heterosexual relationships "hurt" just as much as attacks on homosexual ones, so do better.
    I agree that using cishets like that is horrible. I call it out too. Because it harms everyone to use words that are supposed to be neutral like gay trans cis hetero as insults. the reason the word cishet came up is because we were talking about a weird image that implied cis and hetero people are being kicked out by diversity. Also you shouldn't base your views on people based on twitter. Twitter is literally designed to show you stuff it thinks you'll hate. It shows me nothing but transphobes until I went on a blocking spree. I'm trying my best to educate but it feels like nobody wants to listen.
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    So we're just doing blatant transphobia in this thread now? You guys don't even try to hide it behind rhetoric like you do with your homophobia.
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