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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    It doesn't, and it's been proven scientifically that Gay Males are better at expressing and reading emotion than Heterosexual Males, which gives them a clear advantage in certain professions, such as acting, and the arts. This isn't considered Supremacist, as plenty of Heterosexual men have done well in the Arts, including Acting. The slight advantage Gay men have is slight and not a significant advantage. Human variation in the world shows that some groups have natural advantages do to specific traits in certain industries, this is just an example of evolution and what makes each group unique and valuable.

    Think OMG gay men are more in touch with their emotions means straight men are somehow disadvantaged is stupid. It just means that straight men who want to understand emotions better have to work a little harder to be just as good at it as gay men, and plenty of straight men go the extra mile to understand emotions, mostly so they can relate to the women in their lives, but they can an do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    It doesn't, and it's been proven scientifically that Gay Males are better at expressing and reading emotion than Heterosexual Males, which gives them a clear advantage in certain professions, such as acting, and the arts. This isn't considered Supremacist, as plenty of Heterosexual men have done well in the Arts, including Acting. The slight advantage Gay men have is slight and not a significant advantage. Human variation in the world shows that some groups have natural advantages do to specific traits in certain industries, this is just an example of evolution and what makes each group unique and valuable.
    You are bordering on a surpemacist argument because you are collectivizing and stereotyping by an immutable trait. "X" group is better/superior at "Y" through causation. Iscah has a big right of it, conflating causation with correlation is a problem.

    And even when you do this, you back peddle a bit by undercutting your initial point by saying that "It is slight and not a significant advantage". Which seems to indicate that either the data itself is inconclusive due to lack of sample size or some other factor, its correlation and not causation, or that the advantage isnt even worth mentioning because it has no statistical importance or bearing on any discussion. This brings up the obvious question of "If its not important or so statistically small to be irrelevant, why even bring it up and phrase in the manner you did? Why does it even matter in this discussion?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Think OMG gay men are more in touch with their emotions means straight men are somehow disadvantaged is stupid. It just means that straight men who want to understand emotions better have to work a little harder to be just as good at it as gay men, and plenty of straight men go the extra mile to understand emotions, mostly so they can relate to the women in their lives, but they can an do.
    Then why are you even bringing this up if its case by case. Furthermore, this is literally the "Gay men are more emotional" Trope. You are talking again in terms of collectivism about very subjective concepts and phrasing it (at best) poorly.

    Lets take this and apply it to the discussion: Are gay men not being accurately depicted then if the gay character in the game is more emotionally closed off?
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  3. 09-05-2020 05:18 AM
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    no sense arguing with gothicshark. clearly is projecting internal struggles

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    Yeah I would like to see some more queer representation in FFXIV. I actually feel rather satisfied with regards to gender identity, so I would like some same sex romance happening in an important story. I hope Eden isn't queer bait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esmoire View Post
    Yeah I would like to see some more queer representation in FFXIV. I actually feel rather satisfied with regards to gender identity, so I would like some same sex romance happening in an important story. I hope Eden isn't queer bait!
    There's barely any straight representation either in FFXIV. Do we have to shove more romance into this game so straight people can feel more represented and comfortable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    There's barely any straight representation either in FFXIV. Do we have to shove more romance into this game so straight people can feel more represented and comfortable?
    I can live without forced representation of any gender choices in the game. if they want to include something, thats awesome, if they dont, I can live with that too. SE walks a pretty decent path in not overtly pointing out much in regards to any relationship. if people want forced unrequired relationships, watch Lord of the Rings.

    the last thing I want, or need, in my entertainment, is some issue that another group of people can direct hate and disdain towards.

    The OP was obviously bored and needed entertainment in the forums. I dare say a good few have provided that.
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    I'm aware this is a troll thread but I'll post this anyway. Honest question(s) here: Do minorities need to be represented in every possible medium and work for them to feel validated? Even works that aren't remotely about them and/or their struggles? Isn't feeling validated something that stems from within? I understand they want to be accepted by society for who they are, but is this the way to achieve that? Will being included in every possible medium really change people's opinions or win their acceptance?

    This is a game. A fantasy game where no one gives a damn about sexuality as it literally plays 0 role is the story. Who cares if a character is hetero, gay, bi, etc.? This is not what matters in this game or what defines the characters. Everything is about the story. Let's not shoehorn something that's not important to this particular game's story into it. If it happens naturally or plays a role in it, I'm all for it. After all, my headcanon is that 2 certain characters in the bard's later questline have a thing for each other :P But otherwise, don't include it just for the sake of including it. I see a lot of shows "include" or "represent" minorities, but a lot of the time, it feels like they only do it to appeal to a certain audience and that's literally it. Like others said: a checkbox to tick. No noble or grand purpose behind it. I'd rather the characters have more going for them than being token characters.

    And what's this about Emet being queer or bi or whatever? Now we're reaching a bit. When I played the game, I didn't get this from him at all. He was just eccentric. That's the only way I can describe him. That's a trait that anyone can have. It's not exclusive to one group or another. Again, let's look at the game for what it is and is about. A fantasy story. One that's certainly not about sexuality.

    As for gay or bi people being better at certain things than hetero folks, I'd say this is not related to their sexuality. Some people are better at certain things than others. That's just how it is. It has absolutely nothing to do with their sexual orientation. I'm sorry, but I've never heard something this absurd before. Like, what's the science or logic behind it?
    Edit: Even after reading the explanation, I still find it nonsense.
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    Last edited by Eien713; 09-05-2020 at 05:55 AM. Reason: Edited to add the last bit and some minor additions
    The Glamour Effect: That awkward moment when you realize you know FFXIV's gear pieces better than your own wardrobe X'D

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    Ryne and Gaia are both underage, so hopefully it turns out that they're just good friends...which is exactly how I read things between them during the Eden quests.

    If we do happen to get a gay romance between two fairly important characters in the future? Great! Hopefully we do and it'll be handled tastefully. Let's just stick to shipping adult characters, though.
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    don't we all wish someday raging stallion will get a reality check in life
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