Dungeon Finder WHY NOT-

[Starlord]

This is a pretty good compromise, I think.

Content finder to allow input of information such as class, job, and level, to find other players across all
worlds for groups for dungeons, instanced raids, primal battles, etc.

In Red are the Key words here, Regular Leveling, is done Normally, Content Finder is for Easy/Medium stuff that you can do randomly. Hard stuff its highly unlikely people will use Content Finder.

In Blue, "Across all worlds" meaning the Content "HAS" to be instanced to fall under this Category. Reguardless if its Instanced or not, if they just randomly group you together and then you have to go there yourself.. its the same as just using PC search and get people lol.

[Wincy]

In Red are the Key words here, Regular Leveling, is done Normally, Content Finder is for Easy/Medium stuff that you can do randomly. Hard stuff its highly unlikely people will use Content Finder.

In Blue, "Across all worlds" meaning the Content "HAS" to be instanced to fall under this Category. Reguardless if its Instanced or not, if they just randomly group you together and then you have to go there yourself.. its the same as just using PC search and get people lol.

Hey Starlord,

I thought we were agreeing with each other but now I'm a little confused. I will just refer to my post on this page, since I think this more properly explains my position on the subject (last post of the page):

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...re-yours/page4

[Starlord]

Hey Starlord,

I thought we were agreeing with each other but now I'm a little confused. I will just refer to my post on this page, since I think this more properly explains my position on the subject (last post of the page):

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...re-yours/page4

We are on the same page :P, I since all this is a Senstive subject I was just adding to my other post, but decided to quote you :P hehe

[Antanias]

I was gonna make one of these threads, but then I took a copy of WoW to the knee >_>

[Cendres]

............................ New players will not want to party?

Are we making up eventualities now? I fail to see the logic in that one, as it's worded it will allow people to look for others in other servers, the grouping mechanic is still there and kicking. Either way you have to group up eventually, if you can do it with friends or an LS, good for you but if not then you have the other option.

I doubt it will render regular grouping null. Sheez. There's a big difference between content finding and putting up your flag and AFK waiting for the /tell to ding? There's always going to be people like that IN your server OR cross server....

edit: I played WoW before the group finder was implemented and in my humble opinion that community was destroyed looooooooong before the dungeon finder ever came in. I never could play that game long because the feeling of playing with others was dead, again that was before the finder.

[Gukswar]

............................ New players will not want to party?

Are we making up eventualities now? I fail to see the logic in that one, as it's worded it will allow people to look for others in other servers, the grouping mechanic is still there and kicking. Either way you have to group up eventually, if you can do it with friends or an LS, good for you but if not then you have the other option.

I doubt it will render regular grouping null. Sheez. There's a big difference between content finding and putting up your flag and AFK waiting for the /tell to ding? There's always going to be people like that IN your server OR cross server....

edit: I played WoW before the group finder was implemented and in my humble opinion that community was destroyed looooooooong before the dungeon finder ever came in. I never could play that game long because the feeling of playing with others was dead, again that was before the finder.

I probably did not make sense but I mean- New player's won't be able to make parties because-

Player b Will automatically log in and search for a dungeon using that system- AFK MODE until party is matched up-
while player A will not party with New players since he is new*

hence new player's will not party with anyone and end up using the system to search a party- and will eventually run into players THEY will never meet again---- Hence will never make friends in own server or nearly Almost never make any in same server----- this loses the aspect of the server social part----- then he will quit because this turns into a single man game cuz he doesnt know anyone except players from other server witch he will probably most likely never run into them again.

[Cendres]

I probably did not make sense but I mean- New player's won't be able to make parties because-

Player b Will automatically log in and search for a dungeon using that system- AFK MODE until party is matched up-
while player A will not party with New players since he is new*

hence new player's will not party with anyone and end up using the system to search a party- and will eventually run into players THEY will never meet again---- Hence will never make friends in own server or nearly Almost never make any in same server----- this loses the aspect of the server social part----- then he will quit because this turns into a single man game cuz he doesnt know anyone except players from other server witch he will probably most likely never run into them again.

You are stating this eventuality like it's fact. It is not, all the information we have points towards it will allow for people to search cross servers. It does not mean people will automatically use it as a crutch, especially if the normal party search works fine and people in general are friendly. Nothing kills a community faster then people looking down on newbies and making them feel unwelcome or at worst stupid. (Which you will find in WoW)

And guess what? People in WoW never talked to newbies soloing their quests BEFORE the finder either... Therefore I am not buying this was the reason WoW's community died. To me it was already pretty vacant other then my guild chat... I've easily made more friends in every other MMO that wasn't wow regardless if it was Guild Wars, CoH, EQ2, Age of Conan, LotrO, name the MMO really...

WoW is just not newbie friendly in a social sense unless you find a guild that's friendly.... Which really was also valid for XI and XIV. Except in XIV I've actually made friends just walking around..

Personally I hope this cross server thing allows us to add people from other servers on our friend's list so we can keep tabs on our new friends and see if they are available for other stuff later on. How about we think of the good things that could come with this instead of always focusing on the mistakes/failures of a previous template?

[Bled]

You are stating this eventuality like it's fact. It is not, all the information we have points towards it will allow for people to search cross servers. It does not mean people will automatically use it as a crutch, especially if the normal party search works fine and people in general are friendly. Nothing kills a community faster then people looking down on newbies and making them feel unwelcome or at worst stupid. (Which you will find in WoW)

And guess what? People in WoW never talked to newbies soloing their quests BEFORE the finder either... Therefore I am not buying this was the reason WoW's community died. To me it was already pretty vacant other then my guild chat... I've easily made more friends in every other MMO that wasn't wow regardless if it was Guild Wars, CoH, EQ2, Age of Conan, LotrO, name the MMO really...

WoW is just not newbie friendly in a social sense unless you find a guild that's friendly.... Which really was also valid for XI and XIV. Except in XIV I've actually made friends just walking around..

Personally I hope this cross server thing allows us to add people from other servers on our friend's list so we can keep tabs on our new friends and see if they are available for other stuff later on. How about we think of the good things that could come with this instead of always focusing on the mistakes/failures of a previous template?

I do not share your optimism :/

[Cendres]

I do not share your optimism :/

Awwww! *hugs* Well I hope it turns out for the best anyway! =^.^= If not I'll be on here raging about it too. Or at least trying to see if we can figure out a way to fix it so it does work FOR the community and not against it.

[JakeRoon]

you forgot a TON of ones :P

like uhhh "gear swapping" which is this week

I think content finder was two weeks ago...this guy just missed the boat....


course we have our weekly anima one......and so on lol

funny thing is all these things the Devs already talked about and we already know what they are going to do.....I guess some ppl just don't like it and see how like....world merger was changed through b*tching and they hope this will change through b*itching