Thank you SE: WHM is fine where it’s at.

[Gemina]

Edit: Also now that i think about it...
What do if i want to use benison and then a lily heal but only have one lilly?

Exactly! That is thought provoking, interactive gameplay.

The answer to this question is the situation dictates which skill you would use in this case. For example, let's say my idea was implemented (PoM is now a full time buff given/refreshed through Benison); PoM is about to fall off, which means so is your DPS; but one or more players are below 50%. What skill are you going to use, especially knowing that if you don't use Benison, it's going to be 30s before you can get PoM back up. Also keep in mind that the PoM buff is also responsible for the increased lily generation.

The thing about that last situation is you were already not playing optimally that forced you into having to make that decision, because you're likely going to lose either your buff, or the player will KO as a result. You were too focused on nourishing the blood lily through Afflatus, and forgot to use a lily on Benison to refresh your PoM. BUT, the nice thing here is that it IS possible that the shield from Benison can provide just enough protection to the player to keep them alive, and also refresh your buff.

As a healer, it should always be more important to keep everyone on their feet, so in that situation if the player is too low you actually have no choice but to let PoM drop, and accept the DPS loss. That is your penalty, for focusing too much on damage in the first place. I absolutely love this aspect in such gameplay. The irony about this set up, is that not only will this more interactive kit potentially allow the WHM to cause damage in a way that adds thought and fun to your Glare spam, but it also maintains the vision the devs have for the job.

As for Benison not being available right away. I know it is a bit of a drawback, but one I know I would trade in a heartbeat to have more interaction with my job gauge and just passively gaining lilies to overheal with in order to use Misery.

[Cheremia]

Let me just be honest in that i would hate that "thought provoking" kind of gameplay.

People hated having to use cure over regen for Lillies. I dislike the idea of having to sacrifice a lilly for a better benison. I throw benison at people that were freshly ressed, are struggling, just ate a vuln up before an aoe, got hit before an aoe and then usually heal them with Solace/rapture since its instant and then maybe a tetra at somebody else.
Especially in 24 mans, if everything goes downhill.
If Benison becomes aoe with a lily it would be nice but i think there's better ways. Medica isn't always fast enough in some instances when people go and eat dirt. I also can't heal other Alliances with those. Yes. I heal other alliances if they need help.
And for vanilla: Regen+Benison for tankbusters.
I would NEVER chose Benison then.

Also it being tied to Pom Sounds horrible. There's already SCH that use nothing but Energy drain with their Aetherflows too. Hey, i use Lilly heals 90% to farm misery in dungeons too and between bosses in raids, i can't even talk there. I usually have 0 lillies when entering a fight.
Makes it sound less like an option and more just "Enochian, but for WHM"

That just sounds like the time when everything goes right and you sit on your lillies until there's a mechanic where you have to move. Yes, boring. I know.
But then there's the point of basically not having to use benison for those situations but for the forced PoM refresh . That's not really thought provoking either but a MUST.

If there must be a lily dump, it should be offensive since you using it when you really need those heals, then it would be "tough luck" but chosing between heal and shield doesn't sound right to me at ALL.
Really, you could say that the old lilly system was tought provoking too since you had to chose to use Cure over Regen to use benison. The choice was yours.

That's like... well whm, you can't have both so you have to chose one or the other, chose right. Want a better shield? Account for every mistake pf others so you better don't waste that lilly because you never know. Oh you did and they died? Tough luck. Next time, don't waste that lilly on benison/Misery.


Offtopic but: I still wish the Extra effects of Asylum and the Wings would be ANYTHING but more healing.
Asylum is a hassle to use as is SOMETIMES so it having a better sideeffect have a reason for people to stay in would be cool.
I honesty dislike the sideeffect more than i dislike not having an extra lilly dump.

And... fluid aura, still.

[Gemina]

Let me just be honest in that i would hate that "thought provoking" kind of gameplay.

People hated having to use cure over regen for Lillies. I dislike the idea of having to sacrifice a lilly for a better benison. I throw benison at people that were freshly ressed, are struggling, just ate a vuln up before an aoe, got hit before an aoe and then usually heal them with Solace/rapture since its instant and then maybe a tetra at somebody else.
Especially in 24 mans, if everything goes downhill.

You can still use Benison for all those things. And you wouldn't have to wait 30 seconds between each one either. If you like Benison so much, this change actually has you use it more and with a benefit other than a simple shield. Yes, you will sacrifice restorative lilies if you choose to shield, but I think it is a fair tradeoff, especially when considering the increased lily generation and speed for the WHM.

Also it being tied to Pom Sounds horrible. There's already SCH that use nothing but Energy drain with their Aetherflows too. Hey, i use Lilly heals 90% to farm misery in dungeons too and between bosses in raids, i can't even talk there. I usually have 0 lillies when entering a fight.
Makes it sound less like an option and more just "Enochian, but for WHM"

Nothing is tied to PoM. PoM is a buff tied to Benison. Even though WHM doesn't have a ton of skill bloat, they can still make use of removing unnecessary skills. A skill like PoM (and devs should look into others like it) can be deleted and made into a buff that is granted after certain actions. Not only does this reduce button/skill bloat, it invites more interesting gameplay. And what's wrong with Enochian for WHM? It could also be considered Greased Lightning for WHM. All grant speed buffs, and this one for WHM would be the least complicated of them.

SCH energy drain is not a fair comparison. But it too also grants the SCH additional benefits for dumping their stacks.

If there must be a lily dump, it should be offensive since you using it when you really need those heals, then it would be "tough luck" but chosing between heal and shield doesn't sound right to me at ALL.

It absolutely cannot be an offensive skill. If it were to be one, it would not be 300 pot, and it also would not nourish the blood lily. It would be a wasted skill because the WHM will still overheal with their lilies to charge up Misery. Also remember that with the PoM mechanic, there is no lily dump to address anymore. Two totally different things.

That's like... well whm, you can't have both so you have to chose one or the other, chose right. Want a better shield? Account for every mistake pf others so you better don't waste that lilly because you never know. Oh you did and they died? Tough luck. Next time, don't waste that lilly on benison/Misery.

Or we can keep the lily mechanic as braindead as it is now, and also not address the overall dumbed down gameplay for healers in general? Those type of things you just mentioned are exactly some of the things I ask/tell myself when hitting enrages, or wiping before they even happen. You look back at all those little mistakes that all added up over the coarse of the fight.

As for Fluid Aura. Well what are your suggestions to do with it. My personal opinion is to just delete it, but I am all ears on this one too.

[Cheremia]

Let's just agree to disagree on this one, lol.

Its really just, it SOUNDS like Leylines in Enochian form.
And the more i think about it, the more it's just: Always use on benison, no questions asked. Since it makes your lillies go faster so you have just use pom more. And i guess just spam the lilly heals more to get misery more. And you'll just sit on MORE lillies then.

The ONLY option play would be if benison would make lillies generate slower but people wouldn't care since PoM-stance would do more dps. Since Misery in itself is worth 3 glares, you get back what you heal in a way.



And no i don't have any ideas honestly, i would just rather check stuff like the extra effects of asylum/wings (lets be honest MORE heal is redundant) and fluid.

You COULD make Fluid aura an global-Lilly-skill. A weak one but if you want to kill PoM that bad, then you could make it so that using Fluid gives you the buff. It doesn't need to give misery.
An offensive weaving option instead of always overwriting your own Dia or overhealing because you don't have time to cast.

Not gonna pretend like thats any good idea. Also i'm not saying i don't know what you mean but i personally don't mind that much that lillies are passive... guess it's just me.
I know the struggle of everything going perfectly or well enough and you just "okay how much can i overheal to get a misery" basically... I see Incoclasm as literal lilly heal, same for ELevi. So i'd honestly just take something offensive over anything passive because whats the point of that if its also redundant if it goes well enough...