Housing discrimination

[SXTC]

There are a lot of people out there that register FC's just to get houses with options, then kick everyone so they are the only people left in that FC. So technically those houses are not being used to form communities, simply because people know FC's get priority when relocating houses and because FC's get benefits.

I've seen a lot of FC's out there that have less then 10 members and the month after that still hasn't changed... some even have only 1 or 3 members and next time you see them weeks after its still the same while those players are clearly online.. Tho its often just 1 or 2 of them at the same time. It's unfair that some people can't get housing because some who "claim" to build communities are not even trying to achieve that.
I'm sure SE only gave them priority in the assumption that an FC that builds a community potentially can persuade people to resub for a longer amount of time assuming they have fun as a group. So I believe everyone not meeting this expectation should lose their benefits!

So please add an option where FC's require at least 10 different members to log in once every 30 days. That way FC's have to be larger then 10 members for it to maintain a constant 10+ logins and fake FC's would lose their housing much faster.

[Legion88]

Why?
Why take away the option to get a house from smaller communities?
Why not setting similar restrictions to private houses?

[SXTC]

Do you call & 3 player FC a community?

[LaylaTsarra]

Do you call & 3 player FC a community?

I don't think SE is going to change the rules for FC formation but I could be wrong. Some people create small FC's so they can share them with alts or family. I personally have a FC on Balmung for example that i share with a number of my alts (4 others) and about 5 of my friends. I'm not interested in opening it up to the general community but that's me. From the point of view of use I'm sure I use that house more than most given I'm there everyday.

What they do need to change is the ability of people to use FC's to buy more than one house for themselves and their alts. Anytime someone can buy 60 houses using FC loopholes the issue needs to be addressed. I'm not sure how they can tie FC's to one account they obviously do it for private homes. Perhaps there can only be one leader of a FC per account (or real life address) per server I don't know but the current system is in need of a major fix.

[Shahi]

So please add an option where FC\\'s require at least 10 different members to log in once every 30 days. That way FC\\'s have to be larger then 10 members for it to maintain a constant 10+ logins and fake FC\\'s would lose their housing much faster.

This is the stupidest thing i read today. Not everyone wanna be in an fc with full of strangers.

[Penthea]

I've seen a lot of FC's out there that have less then 10 members and the month after that still hasn't changed... some even have only 1 or 3 members and next time you see them weeks after its still the same while those players are clearly online.. Tho its often just 1 or 2 of them at the same time. It's unfair that some people can't get housing because some who "claim" to build communities are not even trying to achieve that.

Some people don't like large communities so they don't want to be in a fc with more than a handful of people. There is nothing wrong with this.

Some people don't even want to be in a any sort of permanent group and would prefer to be in a fc by themselves. I'm fine with this as long as the account has only one fc house per server. I honestly would love to see SE allowing players to invite their alts to their own fcs without needing the help of a second person to do it on their behalf. Not only would this make some things easier for these people, it would also reduce the incentive to have multiple fc houses per server.

So please add an option where FC's require at least 10 different members to log in once every 30 days. That way FC's have to be larger then 10 members for it to maintain a constant 10+ logins and fake FC's would lose their housing much faster.

So you think other fc members should be punished if some players happen to not log in? This sort of thing can lead to drama either by pressuring someone to log in more often, or by recruiting people that the fc don't even want just so they can keep their house. I get the feeling you have little experience in leading communities if you did not consider these problems.

A better way to fix the issue of shell fcs taking over wards is to bring back the purchase restriction to one fc house per server per account, and keep it that way. SE eventually quietly lifted this restriction and well some people figured out it was no longer in place...which of course lead to some accounts creating multiple shell fcs. Sigh, removing that restriction was such a step backwards.

Do you call & 3 player FC a community?

There are some fcs with several times that amount and the members never talk to each other or do anything together. Would you call that a community?

My own fc has around 45 individual people but that did not come quickly. We're quite fussy about the sort of people we recruit and keep in our ranks. Because of this for the first month we didn't even reach 10 members. If the rules you want were in place we would have lost our house before we even had the chance to build the community we wanted.

And before you say "build your community before you buy a house" first of all houses are usually not available to purchase so you take what you can get the moment it becomes available, because it could be several months or more before you see another unclaimed plot. Secondly having a house is an excellent recruitment tactic because this shows you can provide housing content for members.

Shell fcs are certainly a problem but I dislike your suggestion because it punishes legitimate fcs whose only crime is to be smaller than you would personally like.

[Arielen]

Do you call & 3 player FC a community?

You don't know if a house, even a personal, caters to a CWLS, raid team, linkshell or discord server. My FC for example has 5 members...for my 42man Temple Knight RP CWLS.

There's really nothing wrong with the system. It's working as intended. If you want FC privs and/or a house then you can level up your FC through GC turn-ins by spamming Shisui in like two hours. Just stick the FC house on an alt if you want one there.

Anyway, only 30% of housing is owned by FCs according to the lodestone regardless. They're not exactly causing a crisis even if there are dead FCs strewn in, they're no worse for housing than people who stay subbed solely to maintain their personals even when they aren't actively playing the game and don't use their house.

Personals should get access to workshop tho.

[NanaWiloh]

I have a small FC composed a 10 members with a goal of one day having 20. About 4 to 5 of us are on at any given time though rarely ever all at the same time. When I started my FC I did so with the aim of keeping it small as large FC's are more prone to drama especially when a FC house is involved. I can easily give more access to the garden and airships having only 10-20 memebers then I could having 100+. More people you have the more iron fisted you have to be about who can use what or conflicts will break out. If you enjoy the drama and logistic Hell that comes from a Large FC with a house. Have fun knock yourself out but don't force you crap on smaller FC's cause you got a issue with them having a house.

[SXTC]

wow, makes me wonder how much people aren't abusing the FC function since pretty much everyone here seems to..

[Legion88]

wow, makes me wonder how much people aren't abusing the FC function since pretty much everyone here seems to..

People are disagreeing with you, because there are much easier and better ways to get rid of the "abuse" probleme.
Your way may solve the "abuse" problem but also will destroy small communities and that is never the way to go.
The better way would be to make it that you don't have to abuse the system, like giving the workshop, one of the main reasons for the abuse, also to the private houses.
But if you insist on limiting the housing to FC's with more than X members I insist on also taking away private housing because the can't support X members either, just to be fair.

Also personal attacks and baseless accusation wont get you sympathizers, they will just paint you in a bad light.

And for your earlier question:

Do you call & 3 player FC a community?

The more or less official number to count as a community is 4. 4 members are a community and are needed to form a FC.
When the FC is formed it may grow or shrink but it is still a community.
Also there is another way to form a community, linkshells and they only need a single member.
Also there in the light of social research you talk about a community as a group of people with similar interests goals starting at 2 people.