Summoner: An action or a dot?

[Shougun]

That can just be fixed by simply changing how they look, and giving them more things to do. You can call it lame till they do something like that but you cant call it a subversion, Like i said before you may say summoner is meant to have big scary looking summons, i wont disagree with you, but i will say summoner should have options and variety first something that it does have to an extent and that id love to see expanded.

My fault for editing after posting but I added some more details, I think you're arguing mechanics and I'm having PTSD (lol) flash backs to when people pretended summoner never had visual narrative or that visual narratives are not important. So many times I was misquoted and saw people make arguments I felt were like "sure if we delete everything and pretend SE doesn't have a franchise..... You're clearly here to say they can do no wrong". To be clear I don't argue if people like a certain gameplay or even if they like the chibi primals. That's opinion (and technically I've even said ARR SMN played well)- but I would vehemently disagree on narrative, history, and options available, which is where I probably get so "No, you listen here -- chocobo is not cactuar don't you pull this funny business on me". Lol

Mechanically yes, summoner has had diversity. Many, many times. Sometimes strictly primal related but even then it was diverse in effects.

And want to repeat for those joining me in this first world PTSD (so many threads back then lol), I think SE has done a lot since then- I think SE has done a lot since chibi master. Both the trance and demi-bahamut were wonderful additions. Personally also love the flare they added to the second demi... The heal aoe dot (which is actually pretty substantial for a freebie on summon effect). Damn that's exactly the spirit the primal spells should be throwing off. So I speak in the past in some ways when I talk issues.

Also am not against people trying to hold or improve the current system over complete destruction like some people are going for. So long as SE keeps the spirit they've shown recently for SMN I honestly think it will be in good hands. I'm not worried about SE as much as I don't want to see someone hand-wave the importance of a narrative, in particular the through line between each FF that hands the baton off. Which you /can/ fiddle with expectation, it is not forbidden, but that doesn't always lead to good results, maybe sometimes yes and sometimes nooooo lol, especially in a FF game where their presentation and self reference is a legendary and key part of their games. Music and visuals are a cornerstone symbol that are so big you can simply see footage of one and likely be like "ah yes that must be a FF game" .