Guide to fixing PLD

[Firon]

SE needs to add magic def back to gear or lower the magic dmg mobs do cause its outrageous PLD block rate needs to be fixed badly shield is just a paper weight in fights outside of skills, back to magic def they need to add magic def to armor again like: PLD body should have +10 to all ele's but a whm's body should have +30 to all ele's... stuff like that would go a long way for pld, Also Dlvl is another reason some magic attacks hit so fkin hard, like the chimera's breath attacks...

[Aceofspades]

Other then Mijin , I agree with most that has been posted here, except for the WAR generates more hate faster. This is situational. against mobs that have high def, the better tank is most definatly PLD. I think people are trying to compair apples and oranges when it comes to hate controll between the two. Again, anytime damage delt flux's soo will WAR's hate controll, the less damage WAR deals the less hate it generates. Also, PLD is the only job that gets a TP boost for getting hit. wich makes it even more suitable for high def bosses. When war relies on tp moves like "steel cyclone" to generate hate. then damage delt > tp is vital to its hate generation. Soo obviously any time you gimp damage delt , again, you gimp WAR's DPS and overall hate gen. The biggest downfall to lossing TP gain per DPS for WAR is speed in wich it can pull off the TP moves, WAR will have to spend more time doing normal attacks and relying on buffs to generate tp and less time actually doing TP moves.

I said all that to say this, reguardless of lvl, def, hp, ect ect, of the boss/mob your fighting , PLD's hate generation is consistant across the board. when it comes to hate controll PLD is self reliant for the most part and dose not need outside influence , like increased dps to generate tp faster, to maintain its lvl of hate. I challange any level minded pair of tanks, 1 war, 1pld, to attempt to steal hate from eachother on a "mini boss" like Deepvoid Slave, Princess, or even coin counter. I think most will be suprised to see the results, I however wont be, because I have tested hate controll on both, and it was exactly as I suspected. LVL 60ish or less mobs, WAR had the advantage, but once you got into the "mini boss" range PLD held hate FAR more superiorly then WAR simply because, enless you gimp war's def to add to its DPS, it can not keep up with the dps to sustain the same amount of hate generated.

I have heard arguments that " well if you triple meld materia to armor you can sustain the stats needed to make war a viable endgame tank" to wich i answer "at what cost" not just in gil, but in stats you should be stacking to survive... at what point did we lose track of the true purpose of the tank? I agree this is partially SE's fault for giving incentives for "speed runs" but mainly the communities fault for being soo damn lazzy they went with what they saw as the obvious answer and have become soo blinded to the limits of the WAR tank. Soo much soo they are willing to sacrafice survivability to maintain DPS on a tank. This sacrafice is felt all around. Less REAL DPS to take the boss down faster, more healers simply to make it LOOK easy. And for what? other then ego I can not understand why people are soo head strong on WAR tank for content it realy is not designed for.

Soo yeah, make fun of my spelling, IDC, try to counter with " nuh uhh, your a doo doo head" IDC, come at me with real solid numbers of damage taken and prove that you can keep WAR's dps up to par as well, and I will acknowledge your claim till then, its all bs. Dont make somthing outa nothing. and if it aint broke dont fix it.

[Mijin]

If you can't spell sentinel, chances are you don't might not even know how to use it lol

For one who corrects other's spelling you should watch your own grammar.

It wasn't really a grammatical error. I edited my comment to sound less presumptuous, but I forgot to remove the word "don't" when I added "might not." You may be arguing the use of the word "might" versus "may," but that is a moot point, as the word might and may are interchangeable under the context in which they were used. Nevertheless, point taken.

PLD doesn't need a stronger heal, Holy Succor is already very nice, the cast time is the only down fall to it since plds are supposed to get hit.

When I suggested increasing PLD's curing power I was referring to making Holy Succor instant cast, giving them more MP, and MP Regen. I wasn't actually referring to the spell "Cure." lol

Also a Paladin should not be a DD, it's a tank that follows the supportive role.

I'm not sure if you're confused, or just taking what I said out of context for the sake of argument. I'm not saying PLD should be a DD. I'm just saying that a moderate buff to accuracy and a slight buff to sword dmg would be helpful.

Make defense actually useful, maybe add damage reduction to PLD exclusive gear.

I agree with this considering both the PLD AF, and the stat defense are currently useless. Okay, I'm being slightly facetious about the AF, but seriously, defense sucks in the current state of the game.

Can't believe we have the same name :x

The irony is, I've been Mijin long before FFXIV or XI, and it was of course my name in XI also.

The changes you stated look more like a gimp warrior with heals.

I don't see the comparison, but if you say so.

For one who corrects other's spelling you should watch your own grammar.

Either way, no, those are probably the worst PLD change ideas I have yet to see.

Use commas to set off phrases that express contrast.

Also a Paladin should not be a DD, it's a tank that follows the supportive role.

Even when following an independent clause the word "Also" should never start a sentence.

Holy Succor pretty much makes it so that you use it on others to get the best returns.

This sentence doesn't fit the topic of this paragraph. Are we talking about how to fix PLD, or how to use Holy Succor? Don't ever use "you" in a sentence unless you are talking to one specific reader.

Just to be consistent.

Soo yeah, make fun of my spelling, IDC, try to counter with " nuh uhh, your a doo doo head" IDC,

To be fare Ace, you were the one who called me a "whiny emo player," and you suggested that I was incompetent. I never called you any names. I just challenged your credibility in response.

come at me with real solid numbers of damage taken and prove that you can keep WAR's dps up to par as well, and I will acknowledge your claim till then, its all bs.

lol what?

Other then Mijin , I agree with most that has been posted here

Dont make somthing outa nothing. and if it aint broke dont fix it.

So you don't play PLD...but feel you know how to "fix" it?

Yes. I've also never had to preform CPR, but I'm fairly confident that I could should a situation ever arise where it was necessary because I'm CPR certified, and I've studied how to preform CPR. I've also studied Paladin, and that's why it will be the last job I level for my crown. There is no situation that a Warrior cannot outpreform a Paladin in the current state of the game.

My original post was pretty vague because I thought the topic we would be discussing is why the development team has such a hard time getting things right.

I never really thought some of you would go all:



But I guess fanboys will be fanboys.

[Aceofspades]

LOL! fanboys? everything you state = WAR fan boy, we are simply stating how things realy are. To even suggest that WAR even comes close to PLD's survivablity is ignorant, and to suggest that its a fact is stupid. there is help for ignorance, but you cant fix stupid, sorry for ya :/

[Mijin]

LOL! fanboys? everything you state = WAR fan boy

Actually WHM is my personal favorite class. Tanking is boring to me. I'll admit though that WAR is OP at the moment. Good players will tend to agree. I want them to fix PLD so that the game is balanced, that's why I'm making comparisons to WAR.

we are simply stating how things realy are.

That's actually what I was doing lol.

there is help for ignorance, but you cant fix stupid.

I agree, and you're a living example. You can hardly even read or write. you must project a lot. lol

To even suggest that WAR even comes close to PLD's survivablity is ignorant

WAR has much more survivability... Is there even really any debating this? Almost every single person I talk to acknowledges this.

[Aceofspades]

soo, you perfer to heal and you want to persume to tell those who have done nothing but tank that last year and a half whats what with tanking? No your right, DPS is MUCH more important then damage deflection. Next time I tank anything I will go as BLM, because , as you say, hate controll and DPS are the only things tanks should worry about... basicly your telling everyone on this thread who thinks your a moron (wich is everyone) that THEY are wrong. As a healer you would think that you would apreciate a tank that makes your job easier. Apreantly you suck at even your perfered job. Is there anything you are good at in this game? Honestly I thought being a healer had the smallest learning curv , but like I said, cant fix stupid....

[SwordCoheir]

I have heard arguments that " well if you triple meld materia to armor you can sustain the stats needed to make war a viable endgame tank" to wich i answer "at what cost" not just in gil, but in stats you should be stacking to survive... at what point did we lose track of the true purpose of the tank? I agree this is partially SE's fault for giving incentives for "speed runs" but mainly the communities fault for being soo damn lazzy they went with what they saw as the obvious answer and have become soo blinded to the limits of the WAR tank. Soo much soo they are willing to sacrafice survivability to maintain DPS on a tank. This sacrafice is felt all around. Less REAL DPS to take the boss down faster, more healers simply to make it LOOK easy. And for what? other then ego I can not understand why people are soo head strong on WAR tank for content it realy is not designed for.

Why take the best at one thing, when this other job can do your job and more even if he's a slightly weaker tank. People don't necessarily want the best when they can have a job that's highly functional at multiple things. RDM was a prime example of this back in the ToAU days in FFXI, we knew it's capabilities far paled in comparison to other core jobs, but it never stopped it from becoming the wanted/required job for most content due to it's versatility and mp regeneration/efficiency, unless it became absolutely necessary to bring a WHM for higher cures.

Unfortunately there isn't a NEED for PLD on anything due to the small gap between PLD and WAR's defense, survivability, and current content, however WAR has such a high advantage over PLD DPS wise he gets the benefit of both worlds and can fall back into a focused DPS position if another tank is present. The name of the game is versatility, and WAR has it in more places than PLD does.

As far as threat/hate control argument goes it's irrelevant either way as long as whomever is tanking can hold hate over others in your group. It would be a problem if neither job could hold hate reliably, but so far we've yet to see an instance where that has happened.

[Mijin]

soo, you perfer to heal and you want to persume to tell those who have done nothing but tank that last year and a half whats what with tanking? No your right, DPS is MUCH more important then damage deflection. Next time I tank anything I will go as BLM, because , as you say, hate controll and DPS are the only things tanks should worry about... basicly your telling everyone on this thread who thinks your a moron (wich is everyone) that THEY are wrong. As a healer you would think that you would apreciate a tank that makes your job easier. Apreantly you suck at even your perfered job. Is there anything you are good at in this game? Honestly I thought being a healer had the smallest learning curv , but like I said, cant fix stupid....

K... lol I could keep responding to your silly posts Ace but I feel like I'm making fun of a handicapped person. It was funny at first but now I feel kind of sad for laughing at you, so I'll stop here.

[Evaddaragon]

Unfortunately there isn't a NEED for PLD on anything due to the small gap between PLD and WAR's defense, survivability, and current content, however WAR has such a high advantage over PLD DPS wise he gets the benefit of both worlds and can fall back into a focused DPS position if another tank is present. The name of the game is versatility, and WAR has it in more places than PLD does.

My thoughts exactly. As I've already stated before, PLD, for all intents and purposes, works exactly as what it's supposed to do. It's a fine tank that holds hate well with skills that work for that intent.

The real problem is that there is no content that justifies using it over a WAR. If PLD was indeed much better at damage mitigation, up to the point where you wouldn't need a second whm to make sure your tanks stays, removing that second white mage in favor of a dedicated DD (Hell, it could even be a WAR for all I care), THEN people would prefer using a PLD. That simply isn't the case right now. PLD DOES have better survivability over WAR on high level mobs right now, true, but the difference is far outweighed by the WAR's superior DPS and higher HP, not only leaving a better margin of error for slightly less capable healers, but also giving a slightly better overall DPS to the party.

Now, don't get me wrong. A skilled PLD tank can, with a skilled party, achieve anything a party with a WAR tank will. It simply will be tougher.

Now, I'll also agree that Holy Succor doesn't need to be more potent. Increasing the casting time is a far better idea. MP is NOT an issue, especially now that we know about the AF body's enhancement and the fact we can combine Outmaneuver and Divine Veil, although honestly, I think outmaneuver's MP regen trait could be boosted. Since most, if not all, parties will also have a bard, I'd dare say you simply suck at PLD if you can't manage your MP.

What is the most important thing to do, according to me, is to further increase block rate and block mitigation, AND most importantly, make magical attacks blockable. If you bring that to a level where people will say "If we have a PLD tank, we definitely don't need 2 WHMs in our party", then I'll believe we can achieve a balance.

[Ricky]

For being the premier tank class Paladin's HP is pretty low and also the skills Paladin's get to tank with are pretty poor. Instant cast Holy Succor would be a big step in boosting enmity and survivability but the biggest problem is damage reduction, maybe take Guard back to it's old active ability status and let it reduce a percentage of damage taken while active. Anyway, Warrior abilities are just plain better than Paladin ones so something should change