Guide to fixing PLD

[Evaddaragon]

As much as i love paladin i will take any one up on that challenge on my warrior. if we go with the deepvoid slave as an example. sentinal antagonize flash voke vengance rampart. think in 10 seconds of the fight i'll already have more hate which pretty much locks out your spirits within and wardrum because without hate you wont be blocking and a few seconds later i'll have my skull sunder emnity combo cake with its steel cyclone icing on top. and if by some stroke of luck you do pull it back i can just collusion your spirits within.

I can't see how any paladin could compete with that. but i would genuinely love to be proved wrong as i am a much bigger fan of paladin than warrior. which is why i'm so gutted that it's so broken.

I've been called a legendary paladin and a legendary warrior, i just find being a legendary warrior is 10% of the effort and 50% more effective. even if imo i suck at warrior cos i never use half its abilities but i don't need to....

If you think the PLD couldn't get his spirits within combo while the WAR has hate, you are sorely mistaken. There is an ability that allows a PLD to do that even without hate. That ability is called Cover.

While it's true that the WAR could Collusion Spirits Within, you can only Collusion one action while Cover will allow you to force shift hate for much longer than that.While you're under that effect, you take hits instead of the WAR (which definitely will in a 8 yalms radius since both are competing for hate on the mob), therefore you'll end up actually tanking at least 25% of the time.

Add in the fact you get a 25% MP return if you wear the AF body, you can spam Holy Succor for hate and Stoneskin for survivability. Since you are GUARANTED to have the mob on you at least 25% of the time, there is no way a WAR tanking against a PLD will prevent the PLD from using any of his abilities. A skilled PLD will also combine Cover with Divine Veil and Outmaneuver to try and generate TP fast enough to also spam the Fast Blade + Flat Blade combo, which, as one might recall, is on a ten second cooldown.

I can't say I'd bother doing that kind of contest on the Ogre, but I have done that against 3 WARs from my LS while we were doing level 50 factions leves for fun. Be it the wolf, drake, or buffalo, they were able to keep the lesser mobs on them, but never were they able to keep the main bosses on them for more than a few seconds. Either they were bad WARs, or I'm a good PLD, I can't say, but I'll say that challenge isn't a easy to decide as some would think.

It's as I said already. PLD can hold hate, in fact, perhaps even better than WAR. But as long as their survivability are about the same, with WAR having a better HP margin for healers and far better DPS, no one will ever pick PLD for a main tank in a group.

[Sasagawa]

Other then Mijin , I agree with most that has been posted here, except for the WAR generates more hate faster. This is situational.

Basically your right. we can generate a Ton of hate using aoe rampart. however the main problem at the min is noone really uses melee parties even though with a PLD tank they can be awesome .

I agree with alot posted here especially the defence side of things

[Mijin]

If you can't spell sentinel, chances are you don't might not even know how to use it lol

For one who corrects other's spelling you should watch your own grammar.

It wasn't really a grammatical error. I edited my comment to sound less presumptuous, but I forgot to remove the word "don't" when I added "might not." You may be arguing the use of the word "might" versus "may," but that is a moot point, as the word might and may are interchangeable under the context in which they were used. Nevertheless, point taken.

PLD doesn't need a stronger heal, Holy Succor is already very nice, the cast time is the only down fall to it since plds are supposed to get hit.

When I suggested increasing PLD's curing power I was referring to making Holy Succor instant cast, giving them more MP, and MP Regen. I wasn't actually referring to the spell "Cure." lol

Also a Paladin should not be a DD, it's a tank that follows the supportive role.

I'm not sure if you're confused, or just taking what I said out of context for the sake of argument. I'm not saying PLD should be a DD. I'm just saying that a moderate buff to accuracy and a slight buff to sword dmg would be helpful.

Make defense actually useful, maybe add damage reduction to PLD exclusive gear.

I agree with this considering both the PLD AF, and the stat defense are currently useless. Okay, I'm being slightly facetious about the AF, but seriously, defense sucks in the current state of the game.

Can't believe we have the same name :x

The irony is, I've been Mijin long before FFXIV or XI, and it was of course my name in XI also.

The changes you stated look more like a gimp warrior with heals.

I don't see the comparison, but if you say so.

For one who corrects other's spelling you should watch your own grammar.

Either way, no, those are probably the worst PLD change ideas I have yet to see.

Use commas to set off phrases that express contrast.

Also a Paladin should not be a DD, it's a tank that follows the supportive role.

Even when following an independent clause the word "Also" should never start a sentence.

Holy Succor pretty much makes it so that you use it on others to get the best returns.

This sentence doesn't fit the topic of this paragraph. Are we talking about how to fix PLD, or how to use Holy Succor? Don't ever use "you" in a sentence unless you are talking to one specific reader.

Just to be consistent.

Soo yeah, make fun of my spelling, IDC, try to counter with " nuh uhh, your a doo doo head" IDC,

To be fare Ace, you were the one who called me a "whiny emo player," and you suggested that I was incompetent. I never called you any names. I just challenged your credibility in response.

come at me with real solid numbers of damage taken and prove that you can keep WAR's dps up to par as well, and I will acknowledge your claim till then, its all bs.

lol what?

Other then Mijin , I agree with most that has been posted here

Dont make somthing outa nothing. and if it aint broke dont fix it.

So you don't play PLD...but feel you know how to "fix" it?

Yes. I've also never had to preform CPR, but I'm fairly confident that I could should a situation ever arise where it was necessary because I'm CPR certified, and I've studied how to preform CPR. I've also studied Paladin, and that's why it will be the last job I level for my crown. There is no situation that a Warrior cannot outpreform a Paladin in the current state of the game.

My original post was pretty vague because I thought the topic we would be discussing is why the development team has such a hard time getting things right.

I never really thought some of you would go all:



But I guess fanboys will be fanboys.

[Aceofspades]

LOL! fanboys? everything you state = WAR fan boy, we are simply stating how things realy are. To even suggest that WAR even comes close to PLD's survivablity is ignorant, and to suggest that its a fact is stupid. there is help for ignorance, but you cant fix stupid, sorry for ya :/

[Mijin]

LOL! fanboys? everything you state = WAR fan boy

Actually WHM is my personal favorite class. Tanking is boring to me. I'll admit though that WAR is OP at the moment. Good players will tend to agree. I want them to fix PLD so that the game is balanced, that's why I'm making comparisons to WAR.

we are simply stating how things realy are.

That's actually what I was doing lol.

there is help for ignorance, but you cant fix stupid.

I agree, and you're a living example. You can hardly even read or write. you must project a lot. lol

To even suggest that WAR even comes close to PLD's survivablity is ignorant

WAR has much more survivability... Is there even really any debating this? Almost every single person I talk to acknowledges this.

[Aceofspades]

soo, you perfer to heal and you want to persume to tell those who have done nothing but tank that last year and a half whats what with tanking? No your right, DPS is MUCH more important then damage deflection. Next time I tank anything I will go as BLM, because , as you say, hate controll and DPS are the only things tanks should worry about... basicly your telling everyone on this thread who thinks your a moron (wich is everyone) that THEY are wrong. As a healer you would think that you would apreciate a tank that makes your job easier. Apreantly you suck at even your perfered job. Is there anything you are good at in this game? Honestly I thought being a healer had the smallest learning curv , but like I said, cant fix stupid....

[Mijin]

soo, you perfer to heal and you want to persume to tell those who have done nothing but tank that last year and a half whats what with tanking? No your right, DPS is MUCH more important then damage deflection. Next time I tank anything I will go as BLM, because , as you say, hate controll and DPS are the only things tanks should worry about... basicly your telling everyone on this thread who thinks your a moron (wich is everyone) that THEY are wrong. As a healer you would think that you would apreciate a tank that makes your job easier. Apreantly you suck at even your perfered job. Is there anything you are good at in this game? Honestly I thought being a healer had the smallest learning curv , but like I said, cant fix stupid....

K... lol I could keep responding to your silly posts Ace but I feel like I'm making fun of a handicapped person. It was funny at first but now I feel kind of sad for laughing at you, so I'll stop here.

[Ricky]

For being the premier tank class Paladin's HP is pretty low and also the skills Paladin's get to tank with are pretty poor. Instant cast Holy Succor would be a big step in boosting enmity and survivability but the biggest problem is damage reduction, maybe take Guard back to it's old active ability status and let it reduce a percentage of damage taken while active. Anyway, Warrior abilities are just plain better than Paladin ones so something should change

[Ricky]

If you bring that to a level where people will say "If we have a PLD tank, we definitely don't need 2 WHMs in our party", then I'll believe we can achieve a balance.

I like this thinking too. Perhaps let Divine Veil work with Holy Succor or just give Paladin another cure ability to eliminate the need for a second White Mage. If Warrior can bring DD and tanking to the party, Paladin can bring healing and tanking to the party.

[SwordCoheir]

That might work long as PLD's AoE buffs/heals are extended far enough players don't have to get in harms way to receive them (kinda a double standard to have to be close and get in harms way to get healed). But that still might limit their usefulness to mobs that spam 360 AoE's.