Bot's on Market Board...? Really?

[Sqwall]

I'd think the opposite were true. If people believe what others say with no evidence then *they* are likely new to the internet, not someone who is jaded.

Jaded? HA....no...just tired of others blindly thinking they are without a doubt right and simply REFUSE to speculate on the matter.

Even though I and others have given evidence although not empirical, but still adds suspicion to the matter. I just find this absurd in this day and age that people need pics/video...or it never happened.

Pyramids were built, and nobody knows how....but there they are. Stonehenge was built, and nobody knows how...but there it sits. The moon is near us and nobody knows how it got there...but it's there AND we made it to the mooon despite the people that disagree much like the people on this thread.

500 years ago people that the earth was flat...until it wasn't. 400 Years ago people thought the earth was the center of our solar system...until it wasn't. 300 years ago people new nothing of other planets...until there were. 80 years ago space flight was impossible...until it wasn't. 60 years ago man has never set foot on another celestial body...until we landed on the moon.

And 70 years ago when someone invented a network to connect other cities and research development and scientific discoveries...ARPNET (developed by the US Defense Department) ...which gave future birth to what we call the world wide web....otherwise known as the internet....yeah and I bet people think it's just a network of just gobbledygook or conspiracy theory's with everything unfounded.

There is actual real, creditable information on the internet...try looking sometime.

But i'm sure all of this is just mumbo jumbo to the people that want to turn a blind eye since we have NO proof of these things since there were no videos (even though there is some for moon landing) to prove it...since I NEVER saw them implemented or created.

Then I suppose I will have to believe that 1 singl bot on my server, with everything that I have investigated and looked into just is completely invalid and should just go about my day spending hours and hours undercutting a single post until it magically sells at the lowest value imaginable. Because I suppose this is NORMAL human behavior to completely destroy a single market.

There are bots...there are cheaters...there ARE programs to facilitate ALLLL of this behavior. Stop being a nay-sayer...and look it up.


This whole post was sarcasm btw, or do you not believe me?

[Xoto]

This bot situation on the market is out of hand. Does anyone KNOW if SE plans on doing anything?

[Fyrefox45]

This bot situation on the market is out of hand. Does anyone KNOW if SE plans on doing anything?

Seems to be a negative. I just keep reporting, the bots just keep botting. Not a word in any threads here from SE

[NanaWiloh]

Well I'm not crying about it at all. I'm simply privy to this information and it makes sense that I have to constantly check the MB as there is this insane undercutting game going on behind the scenes. This ruins the crafting gameplay, and I don't have the time to out bid a computer program as it's going to win every time. This isn't about profits or costs of materials, it's about manipulating a market from a game that the BOT controller has NO STACK IN.

This individual or group that admins 20-30 or even 50 bots do this not to upset the players. They do it because it's actually lucrative real money business. If they made $250 a day selling gil for real money that's $7,500 a month! this is still a win for the them as it covers there costs of subs for the month, and more money then I can generate in a month given my career. This is cheating and a sheer exploit. WoW had this. FFXI had this. LoTRO had this. And countless other MMO's.

If I was a company and a select few people were EXPLOITING and USING my product for there own personal gain, they would be in violation and I would bring the ban hammer down hard on these people, as well as legal action and seize there capital gained.

This is NO different then cheating in an eSports tournament when real money is at stack. Or rigging a gambling event (poker, slots, blackjack). Or someone writing a song and someone else downloading it for free (napster gone, limewire gone) Or someone infringing on patent regulations until the patent runs out. This is called fairness. There is NO SKILL in cheating, that's why it's called cheating. Same goes for making a bot program do all the work for you to attain real money.

How in Hydalens butt, does one play the MB and not care about profit?? The bots undercutting effects your ability to sell goods at prices you agree with. Which is why you are complaining about them cause they are killing your selling power. If you dont care about profit then it stands to reason you should not care about undercutting.

[Sqwall]

How in Hydalens butt, does one play the MB and not care about profit?? The bots undercutting effects your ability to sell goods at prices you agree with. Which is why you are complaining about them cause they are killing your selling power. If you dont care about profit then it stands to reason you should not care about undercutting.

I suppose what I meant there the principal is that bot's don't care about profit. If they have a nearly unlimited supply due to not sacrificing time they can price however they want. The simple explanation: The village get's it's water from the man that owns the well, the well is bottomless and infinite, everyone in the village needs his water and they don't want to go to the next village over as it would require 3 hours one way by walking.

The man that owns the well understands he is the only supply of water which everyone needs, so he starts to increase his prices to quit his job. The village isn't happy, but pay the man anyway because they need the water to live. The man continues to raise his prices alongside the villages ire towards him. Until one day another villager has had enough of paying for exuberant prices and attempts to find his own water source. He drills on his own land and finds a water source deep and infinite. He installs a larger pump which can pump water faster and without any maintenance or supervision. It just run's day and night pumping and pumping.

Well the original man selling water is outraged of this and tries to undercut the man, but he can't keep up with demand as his pump is small and requires many repairs. The man never invested to keep his operation running, which allowed for competition to destroy him.

"How can you sell water so cheap and make a living?" asked the man.
"Easy" said the new water mogul. "It's your water I tapped into. It just so happens to stretch to my land. The only difference is I don't care about profits to be happy, but the villagers don't care where the water comes from, as long as it's cheap."

Moral of this "story" is. Economics is delicate and everything can be taken from those that don't defend it. If you don't care about profits? How do you combat that?.... These bot's only care about selling, and selling fast. Profits don't matter to them as long as they have an infinite supply over us.

Fix the gathering....Crafting will take care of itself.

[Selphyna]

I came back on FF after 4years, thinking i would take back some crafting, and right on my 1 day of play, i noticed something wrong, i craft an chest lvl 70 for gatherers, where there was none of it on MB, and when i come check later, a person appear, i think it's normal, a player, but no, cuz while i started crafting items and stuff around 70to80, i didn't even got the time that every mins, the bot changed the price by 1gil.

I live on night, and my roommate on day, we checked basically 24h to see if "Mjare Kirin" disconnect, but no, he's always connected, never absent. And drop price every mins, he's a lvl 71 whm, with only crafters at 80, in a FC with 9 people, and closed, he is as the same spot h24, an appartment. I went check others servers, to see if i find people like that. And yes, i finded one in each, with 1 lvl 70 or 80, and only crafters/gatherers full 80, with an FC closed of around ten people too.

I didn't wanted believe that Bots got into MB, but yes they did, and it's frustrating on the fact, crafting was my only way to get money to support my FC and friends, but now with theses ridiculous prices that have no sense, you got final result less expensive than if you crafted it by yourself, where is the pleasure in it ? I crafted an minion that his mats costed me more than buying directly the minion crafted by bots. And SE wont resolve this, if they failed in FFXI, don't expect miracle in FF14, the economy is broke, no wonder alot of players just buy gils. It's so disapointing, i will try ask refund of my expansion, cuz i regret my come back. Really. Courage to the others craft-lovers, i EXACTLY understand what you guys/girls feel.

[Adephagos]

I came back on FF after 4years, thinking i would take back some crafting, and right on my 1 day of play, i noticed something wrong, i craft an chest lvl 70 for gatherers, where there was none of it on MB, and when i come check later, a person appear, i think it's normal, a player, but no, cuz while i started crafting items and stuff around 70to80, i didn't even got the time that every mins, the bot changed the price by 1gil.

I live on night, and my roommate on day, we checked basically 24h to see if "Mjare Kirin" disconnect, but no, he's always connected, never absent. And drop price every mins, he's a lvl 71 whm, with only crafters at 80, in a FC with 9 people, and closed, he is as the same spot h24, an appartment. I went check others servers, to see if i find people like that. And yes, i finded one in each, with 1 lvl 70 or 80, and only crafters/gatherers full 80, with an FC closed of around ten people too.

I didn't wanted believe that Bots got into MB, but yes they did, and it's frustrating on the fact, crafting was my only way to get money to support my FC and friends, but now with theses ridiculous prices that have no sense, you got final result less expensive than if you crafted it by yourself, where is the pleasure in it ? I crafted an minion that his mats costed me more than buying directly the minion crafted by bots. And SE wont resolve this, if they failed in FFXI, don't expect miracle in FF14, the economy is broke, no wonder alot of players just buy gils. It's so disapointing, i will try ask refund of my expansion, cuz i regret my come back. Really. Courage to the others craft-lovers, i EXACTLY understand what you guys/girls feel.

We have the same issue in Primal (same situation, one person owner of a closed FC, having 9-11 people, which active constantly are between 3 and 4, have easily each character 6 retirners) I reported the player with a good amount of details, the use of multi accounts, timer cycles, etc, and... nothing happened. They are still out there with impunity, the GMs were more worried banning people for posting "unrelated things" in the PF.

[Seleni]

I live on night, and my roommate on day, we checked basically 24h to see if "Mjare Kirin" disconnect, but no, he's always connected, never absent. And drop price every mins, he's a lvl 71 whm, with only crafters at 80, in a FC with 9 people, and closed, he is as the same spot h24, an appartment. I went check others servers, to see if i find people like that. And yes, i finded one in each, with 1 lvl 70 or 80, and only crafters/gatherers full 80, with an FC closed of around ten people too.

...That sounded almost like me last week while I was leveling last few levels of my crafter jobs (other than culinary) and then starting on my path to craft the aesthete’s set for myself. >_>

I have a solo FC to ward off random invites, too.

When your DoW/DoM job is far below your crafting jobs, you’re content locked from gathering your own mats anyway. Lower-level mats can be gathered by sending out retainers, and the rest can all be purchased off MB. The only time you’d actually need to step out of your apartment/house is for trips to MB which is right outside the apartment.

I had to rely on GC turn-ins and Ixali dailies for venture coins. And I turned to fishing glamour for additional gil source. (I guess I’m a gambler at heart). Plus I made daily trips to Providence Point. So I probably was out more than a more well-funded crafter would.

In short, aside from the constant market price adjustment, what you described is simply a pure crafter/merchant that’s not all that interested to other aspects of the game. It’s not proof for botting.

But I only adjust my MB prices once or twice a day. (Too lazy)

As for the finished product costing less than mats combined, that seems nearly always the case while leveling. (It’s probably result of leveling crafters buying mats and then dumping finished product on MB) Plus there are HQ quest rewards, kupo stamp and venture drops. I tend to just give up on an item when I don’t see a maker’s signature on MB listings.

[Anhra]

Squeenix dug their own grave on the matter of botting in this game, since we as players can't do anything about it on our own (griefing or having the option to pk them for example) without violating the terms of service, the matter falls completely into their hands.

The current Marketboard situation, at least on chaos datacenter, seems so far quite bearable, even for MMO standards but unless the whole situation goes completely out of hand, i will doubt we will see anything being done about it.

[LogicMouse]

SE needs to take a harder approach to bots. Bots on the market, farming and housing. These cheaters need to be taken care of