Thread: question about Taimat the dragon at Aza Lla

since the defeat of all the ascains what happen to Tiamat. since the ascian where one that bretrayed and decieved her is justice meet can she now be free we slayed her mate murder and her decievers

First of all: This probably belongs in the lore-forum, not general discussion and you'll get better answers over there.

To answer your question: As I recall it, in theory she could break free anytime she wants. But she doesnt want to - shes staying there out of her own decision, because she feels guilty about what happend to Bahamut. Staying is the punishment she choose for herself, so I doubt she'll ever go free.

Vidu is right - Tiamat remains bound by the neurolink in Azys Lla not because she cannot escape, she can and could escape whenever she wanted, and she doesn't remain because she is afraid of the Ascians who manipulated her "might still be out there", she remains there as a form of penance for what she did, summoning her beloved brother in a twisted mockery of his image that only brought death and ruination on her own people.

She feels enormous guilt for summoning Bahamut as a Primal, far far more than any thirst for vengence she once had for the real Bahamut's death, or towards the ones responsible for his death (the Allag) or the ones who manipulated her to summon (the Ascians), and remaining confined on a floating rock in Azys Lla forevermore is her punishment by her own choice.

So basically Tiamat is there by her own will, and will probably never leave.

it kind sad that she chosen to remian. i wish her father could convince she face enough punishment

Originally Posted by Savagelf

it kind sad that she chosen to remian. i wish her father could convince she face enough punishment

I mean... he already tried that and it didnt work.

Considering the lifespan of a dragon, I doubt "we" will life long enough to see wether or not she finally forgives herself.

And honestly: After seeing her so adamant about staying, I dont want to see her change her mind. As much as I'd like to see her free, I feel it would be very inconsistent at this point. For a dragon mere moments have passed since we left her there (after she told us and Midgardsormr that she wishes to remain). If she changed her mind now, it would cheapen her character.
I really like that even though we're the "Warroir of Light", the champion of the world, it doesnt mean much to an immortal being like her. That even though we tried to convince her to free herself, our word doesnt matter much to her - Peace-Division is talking about how maybe we can convince her, but I honestly dont want to see that because it doesnt feel right that someone like us tells her that shes suffered enough. We're in no position to do that because we cant possibly understand the depth of her suffering and how fresh it still is in her mind.
Just how a 1.000 year war might have seemed excessive to us and Ishgard - it didnt to Nidhogg. He still rememberd the murder of his sister as if it was yesterday, because for him it kinda was yesterday.
Since Tiamat confirmed her decision at the end of Heavensward not that much time has passed - and I dont think that events like us killing the Ascians will change anything about how she feels: Guilty. Not even a being who might be able to understand her - her own father - was able to convince her otherwise. I dont feel that a mere mortal like us would stand a real chance - or should stand a real chance. We might be able to slay any beast or primal in our way, but we cant fix everything.
Tiamat is a great example of us not being an allpowerful hero.

Originally Posted by Savagelf

it kind sad that she chosen to remian. i wish her father could convince she face enough punishment

I wouldn't worry too much. She is a hanging plot point for whenever the story requires.

She may become a plot character that does leave depending on what goes on in 6.0 or later expansions. Perhaps she may eventually agree that she has served enough time in punishment if we the WoL plus her father Midgardsormr, can do more to convince her that the world is being freed from the enemies of old that twisted her into doing what she did and that endless punishment is a waste of her life and that she do could so much more for her kind of she rejoined dragons.


Perhaps if the Allagans or its power returns in ther hands of a new /old enemy in future expacks she may come back and help us stop an allagan based threat.

I'm suddenly curious if she reacted at all in the 8th Calamity Timeline. I wish we could talk with her, her reaction to certain events would be interesting.

Namely things in Omega.

Originally Posted by Ilenya

I'm suddenly curious if she reacted at all in the 8th Calamity Timeline.

I doubt it. She's been there through several other calamities already.

Originally Posted by Savagelf

since the defeat of all the ascains what happen to Tiamat. since the ascian where one that bretrayed and decieved her is justice meet can she now be free we slayed her mate murder and her decievers

This is an easy question to answer.. regardless of what ever lore exists in the game, the simple answer is that she has been forgotten about by the story team. We may see her again if the story ever revisits Ishgard or the dragonsong events but i imagine she'll just be left hanging in limbo because she was a minor plot point that simply isnt needed and so she'll get no resolution.