New Races

[Amnmaat]

Again still think that's the wrong way to look at beast race. Look at beast race more like ultimate. It's good for the few that do it, they've no other content like it if you removed it. Beast race, across ALL mmos, is always one of the less popular ones compared to classic human shapes, super model shapes, etc (although WoW has a number of popular not stereotypically pretty / standard races, substantial population if you add them together by groups of pretty/standard vs not). Still I think there is a unique value in offering something new over offering a different shade of the same thing you're already offering. Does that mean to stop adding shades because it's popular? No of course not, but if you've no ultimate content then perhaps maybe you should have it. Your 8th variation of chocolate might be more popular than your red bean ice cream but that doesn't mean there is no argument to be had in the value of having some unique variety options for those who are looking for it.

I'm sure they knew Hrothgar wasn't going to be as popular as Viera, they've Roe to look at for estimate numbers- Hrothgar about match that anyways (and Roe has two genders and less fantasia / barber issues even, if you fixed that then Hrothgar might be more popular).

People that do Ultimate already had savage and extreme
Just like people who like hrothgar had Roegadyn and to a smaller extent Miqo'te

[Shougun]

People that do Ultimate already had savage and extreme
Just like people who like hrothgar had Roegadyn and to a smaller extent Miqo'te

Ultimate != savage ; savage is closer to normal than it is to ultimate.

Roe != beast race ; maybe Galka would have 'sort of' counted, like mithra, but Roe and miqote obviously lost some of their more weird features from FFXI. Simply having a single point of asset does not make one a beast race, "oh I'm big" is not a beast race, neither is a human with cat ears. Lion/animal face (the feature that obviously made the race a pain to take to the barber shop, and most key to making it not a human with ears), fur, tail, now that is clearly a beast race- enter Hrothgar.

[Amnmaat]

Ultimate != savage ; savage is closer to normal than it is to ultimate.

Roe != beast race ; maybe Galka would have 'sort of' counted, like mithra, but Roe and miqote obviously lost some of their more weird features from FFXI. Simply having a single point of asset does not make one a beast race, "oh I'm big" is not a beast race, neither is a human with cat ears. Lion/animal face (the feature that obviously made the race a pain to take to the barber shop, and most key to making it not a human with ears), fur, tail, now that is clearly a beast race- enter Hrothgar.

i disagree, the same people that do extremes and savage are the same ones that do ultimate. Maybe not in crystal but definitely in aether.
Roe (and to a lesser extent Miqo'te = what most current hrothgar players used to be. Backed up by data and sources of information; as well as aesthetically, but this time we will never agree upon since it's subjective. However, the data I brought up of the Roegadyn to hrothgar flight is factual, to the point where there are more male hrothgar now than there are male Roegadyn.