Buffs to dragoon

[Rasler_Heios]

By next expansion... when we hit lv90 cap, I would like to be able to do two Stardivers.... and though I know it will probably never happen, for the Dragon Eyes gaze not to reset if the BotD gets dropped...

[A_moth_called_rose]

By next expansion... when we hit lv90 cap, I would like to be able to do two Stardivers.... and though I know it will probably never happen, for the Dragon Eyes gaze not to reset if the BotD gets dropped...

oh god so much this! i die inside when I accidentally let that buff drop and I lose my eye stacks

[Mikey_R]

and the same attention as the other melee jobs as they tend to be adjusted always before dragoon does unfortunately.

Monk says Hi.

[Renkei]

Monk says Hi.

DRG 2.0 says hi, Not relevant until final coil. Can i please get 15 seconds instead of 10 WS holding like monk did? DRG has never been fixed before Monk this is the first cycle they bull-crapped monk but at least they buffed Riddle of Fire by removing its slow down, honestly they seem to enjoy neglecting classes in this game. Popular opinion on the English forums is no to dragoon changes, when on the jp forums is a totally different beast. At least the guys there conduct themselves by spitballing ideas inside of a single job improvement thread so the devs can look at it and consider it, here everyone shoots down each-other with one liners because nobody wants to waste their brain power even considering for 5 seconds if it would even be game breaking or not.

[Ramura_Sono]

DRG 2.0 says hi, Not relevant until final coil.

And after it's Magic Defense Buff, it's been relevant ever since.

Can i please get 15 seconds instead of 10 WS holding like monk did? DRG has never been fixed before Monk..

Dragoon has pretty consistently been fixed before Monk, when it's actually needed fixing.

this is the first cycle they bull-crapped monk...

EL. OH. EL. Yes, Heavensward and it's "DELETE MNK" mantra didn't exist, Stormblood, where it started with every gcd being nerfed, where it was the worst of the melee until 4.4's TK rotation put it on par with NIN in very specific comps didn't exist, sure. If we ignore all the other times they bull-crapped monk, this is totally the first time.

honestly they seem to enjoy neglecting classes in this game

And none more than Monk.

here everyone shoots down each-other with one liners because nobody wants to waste their brain power even considering for 5 seconds if it would even be game breaking or not.

It doesn't matter if it would be game breaking or not. Your asking for a job that has been consistently good, to receive buffs it absolutely doesn't need. QoL in the form of Wheeling/Fang combo timer extensions, AOE Disembowel refresh, heck even potentially keeping eyes when BotD is dropped, sure. But asking for anything beyond that is too much when the job has consistently performed well, and there are other jobs, with longer standing issues (SMN's, MNK's, BRD's, etc), that should take priority.

[ForteNightshade]

DRG 2.0 says hi, Not relevant until final coil. Can i please get 15 seconds instead of 10 WS holding like monk did? DRG has never been fixed before Monk this is the first cycle they bull-crapped monk but at least they buffed Riddle of Fire by removing its slow down, honestly they seem to enjoy neglecting classes in this game. Popular opinion on the English forums is no to dragoon changes, when on the jp forums is a totally different beast. At least the guys there conduct themselves by spitballing ideas inside of a single job improvement thread so the devs can look at it and consider it, here everyone shoots down each-other with one liners because nobody wants to waste their brain power even considering for 5 seconds if it would even be game breaking or not.

I have mained Dragoon since Heavensward and are you kidding me? There has not been a single time since 3.0 where Dragoon wasn't superior. It either outright did more damage or brought enough support to compensate. I mean, piercing alone kept Dragoon in the meta slot throughout two expansions whereas Monk loitered in mediocrity. The only time Monk even entered the conversation is Eden's Gate when they panicked buffed it after the community straight up refused to play it. This coming off the heels of the media tour where the dev team cited Monk as their most proud change. By 5.1, Ninja reclaimed its status and now even with Dragoon finally slipping from the top dog spot, it's still third place—beating out, wait for it, Monk! Which remains the worst Melee in the game. Again.

To say Monk isn't among the most shafted jobs in the game at this point is just wrong.

[Renkei]

I have mained Dragoon since Heavensward and are you kidding me? There has not been a single time since 3.0 where Dragoon wasn't superior.

To say Monk isn't among the most shafted jobs in the game at this point is just wrong.

I Mained Dragoon since 2.0. You obviously must of not seen when they buffed monk in the early 2.0 cycle and didn't touch DRG until final coil.
That's not true at all, Check Log data on your claims and Monk has had top fights in previous expansions Lots of different fights, I know because IVE Personally Cleared those many fights with a MONK!

Monk was superior in the Manipulator Fight in Gordias, I played with a Monk Through out my entire end game raiding cycle with the same exact Monk Since Second coil.

Manipulator, Brute Justice, Refurbisher 0, Were all great fights for monk as well.

The Closest fight in those cycles was cruise chaser.

I have personal Experience playing with a Monk for From Second Coil, All the way until Eden gate. We've toughly looked at issues in the design and it's plain and obvious that Monk has some serious clunky issues in the recent expansion, But your statements doesn't even disprove the fact.

Clearly your comment is just an attempt to Gas-light me I am fully aware that you and your close community has something out for me.

Dragoon was NEVER the top spot in this expansion. Its ALWAYS been dominated by BLM,SMN, and SAM.

This is something that has carried through in previous expansions too, and prior to Sam even existing it's always been BLM or SMN with some exceptions here and there.

You claiming that "Dragoon Finally slipping from the tog dog spot" IS out of touch, MNK was only inferior to DRG When Fist of Fire HAD the speed reduction, As soon as they fixed it They shot up to top melee, and then NIN got Buffed following it taking the crown, This shifted DRG into Third. At NO TIME IN THIS EXPANSION HAS DRG BEEN TOP DPS.

Matter of fact the only time DRG was DEFACTO best DPS was FINAL COIL, but the damage margin was so incredibly small it absolutely didn't even matter! (it beat MNK by 15 dps out of 718 i believe. whopping 733.)

All you did was attempt to make me question my View point without attempting to view actual Data, META doesn't always imply BEST, I'm waiting for you guys to understand that by opening a dictionary. Maybe when you learn how to META VIEW this discussion you'll start to understand that.

Popular choices doesn't mean the job is the best.
Dragoon is a Popular job that is being spun as broken because you are twice as likely to run into one outputting good damage regardless if they are IN or OUT of Standardized Misnomer "Meta".

I think its important to look at ALL balance with an systematic review.

Meta-analysis can be tainted because half of your information is from your community or your peers, How can you conduct Meta-analysis's without a systematic review is beyond me.

The only True statement that occurs for you is that they should change monk, But i also think they should change DRG, but first they need to change BRD, and MCH , And Honestly they have VERY limited solutions but to offload all Support RDPS abilities on to ranged classes because of the HUGE Front-loading of DNC.

Look I'm not implying DRG Isn't unplayable, but Neither was monk before they changed it, and after they changed it, and now its still out performing DRG and they plan on changing it again? To what? Top DPS? By the time they come around to DRG At least we will be doing more damage then BRD.

The only Changes are Proposed, 15 Second Fang/Wheeling, Renovation of Eyes, Removal of Dragon-Sight and shifting damage over to other abilities, these are all ideas for future improvement.

Lets Try having some Discourse about FFXIV-Balance here by Offering Solutions without shooting other people down, It does NOTHING for the community to behave in that fashion.
Lets not try having a monopoly on this discourse by carrying views of an outside community into the forums to control balance decisions.

[SpeckledBurd]

I wish it had extra reach, and the same attention as the other melee jobs as they tend to be adjusted always before dragoon does unfortunately.

Dragoon gets it's tweaks almost immediately and then it usually doesn't need anything after the fact. It's got some weird quirks now like Fang and Claw/Wheeling Thrust durations being shorter than the combo durations and it's damage buff not refreshing in AOE, but none of them are devastating problems with gameplay that have gone unaddressed for ages. The job that sort of thing describes is Monk, which got ignored through Heavensward, Stormblood, and probably would have been left until 6.0 if its playerbase hadn't been burning the forums down for the last year.

As far as buffs go, the only one it needs is for Sonic Thrust to Refresh Disembowel (and be earned at like level 56). The rest of what it could use is just tweaks like its combo finishers to be have 15 second durations.

[Sylvain]

How do you let that buff drop ? (Beside 30s + transition. )

[Saber44]

By next expansion... when we hit lv90 cap, I would like to be able to do two Stardivers.... and though I know it will probably never happen,

Why not, it doesn't do that much damage why not let us do that now