Mentors and Novice Network

[Vickii]

Today I was in the novice network and one of the lovely regular posters there decided to tell us all about the end of Shadowbringers. Which kinda puts a dampener on the whole rest of the game for me.

The mentors in the network said not to spoil but the guy was not kicked. When a novice complained they were kicked for spoiling the mood.

I think this is a really broken system. Mentors are people who played the game a lot. They are not qualified chat moderators, they are not inherently good people, they are not even inherently good at the game.

Most of the NN chat on my realm is mentors talking about things like Nier raids etc. I like the idea of a network for new players but it’s like a second free company for these guys.

Anyway this is just a rant really. You put level one sprouts in a chat with no obvious way of getting out of it, while you have level 80s in that chat telling them how the game ends and kicking them if they don’t respect their right to do so. Maybe this should be revisited, it’s not a positive feature imo.

[HeyMcFly]

Yeah the NN on Sarg often turns more toxic than a twitter rant & when you try to correct the situation, suddenly you're the bad guy- I'm a mentor & I was lowkey excited to get to help new players but to my dismay, NN is just used for a separate world chat to talk about everything not related to FFXIV unless it's to complain or spoil plot points.

The only good experience I've had with NN was I was on the Siren server at 2 a.m. talking a sprout & his friend through a dungeon while I sat in Gridania- I was the only mentor willing to talk in the NN at that hour I guess- then we all somehow got on the topic of how to properly raise kittens when noone needed help.

[magtuired]

I agree on the "not even being good people" part. I try really hard to be a good help and guide for newbies because my experience with the Novice Network was getting told that I was "naive" and obviously young for objecting to some comments about relationships that bordered on mysoginistic by saying you shouldn't date someone if you don't like them. My experience with fellowships aimed at doing the same things as NN have been a lot more productive and less toxic.

So in lieu of any changes definitely check out some newbie fellowships!

[MPK]

Do people actually use that crap? I'm so glad I've never touched that crap when I joined. It sounds like a network of grey parsers who provide bad advise for new players.

[Nayout]

Do people actually use that crap? I'm so glad I've never touched that crap when I joined. It sounds like a network of grey parsers who provide bad advise for new players.

Imagine believing that parsers are synonymous with playing good lol

[Wyakin]

Do people actually use that crap? I'm so glad I've never touched that crap when I joined. It sounds like a network of grey parsers who provide bad advise for new players.

Even though you’re a troll, it kinda is. The biggest issue with the novice network is the “mentors” don’t even know how to play. More often than not the “mentors” are the ones asking the questions

[MPK]

Imagine believing that parsers are synonymous with playing good lol

That's not very convincing coming from you

[Nayout]

That's not very convincing coming from you

Tell that to all those people with 90+ parsers who made me wipe for a week enterss E8S because it was very difficult for them not to screw it up in the LR or those who did not know that you have 4 seconds of invulnerability when you revive. (I still have PTSD from the Summoner from 2 weeks ago with 85 parsers dying 4 times in a row on Ramuh)

Or also a friend who runs a discord channel with The Balance guides in Spanish who had to kick a Scholar with 99+ parsers from her static because he was useless to cure :^)

[MPK]

Tell that to all those people with 90+ parsers who made me wipe for a week enterss E8S because it was very difficult for them not to screw it up in the LR or those who did not know that you have 4 seconds of invulnerability when you revive. (I still have PTSD from the Summoner from 2 weeks ago with 85 parsers dying 4 times in a row on Ramuh)

Or also a friend who runs a discord channel with The Balance guides in Spanish who had to expel a Scholar with 99+ parsers from her static because he was useless to cure :^)

Sounds pretty anecdotal :^)

Also not very convincing especially coming from you

[Nayout]

Sounds pretty anecdotal :^)

Also not very convincing especially coming from you

It's not that I care bro

The Mentor system requires some fixing, but whenever I see complaints from it I think people have no idea how to fix it. What requirements do you make to be a mentor? Triple Legend? parsers 99? to people who have more knowledge of the game with exams? Top 100 The Feast?

None of these requirements certify that you are a better or a worse player or that you know more or less about the game, the current system can be fixed a little but there will always be mentors who have no idea about the game, no matter the system.