Mentors and Novice Network

[Vickii]

How long have you been in the Cerberus NN? Because thats just not true...

You are saying the NN is not full of talk like this? I’m sorry if you’re part of the clique there but it’s absolutely true.

Just last night a “mentor” was saying how he got mentor so he can chat in novice network and get ppl to run dungeons with him and laughed about helping people.

Better name for Cerberus novice network would be ‘veterans chat’.

[Laphael]

You are saying the NN is not full of talk like this? I’m sorry if you’re part of the clique there but it’s absolutely true.

Just last night a “mentor” was saying how he got mentor so he can chat in novice network and get ppl to run dungeons with him and laughed about helping people.

Better name for Cerberus novice network would be ‘veterans chat’.

I´m not, i´m usually silent and only answer direkt questions.
Sprouts as well as Returners talk as much as Mentors in that chat. Yes, there is some chitchat sometimes, but you make it far worse as it is.

[Vickii]

I´m not, i´m usually silent and only answer direkt questions.
Sprouts as well as Returners talk as much as Mentors in that chat. Yes, there is some chitchat sometimes, but you make it far worse as it is.

Last hour has been mentor whining about being forced to do hildibrans quest,
mentors talking about overwatch, mentors talking about glamour. Two questions/comments from novices have been ignored.

At least they aren’t complaining about a sprout scholar not using exog like they were earlier I guess.

[Laphael]

Last hour has been mentor whining about being forced to do hildibrans quest,
mentors talking about overwatch, mentors talking about glamour. Two questions/comments from novices have been ignored.

At least they aren’t complaining about a sprout scholar not using exog like they were earlier I guess.

Yeah, you are just ignoring all the sprouts. Its ok.
Just in case you don´t know. You can leave the NN.

[Vickii]

Just in case you don´t know. You can leave the NN.

But don’t you see? This proves my point. I say the system is broken and it’s not a nice or helpful chat and only serves the egos of the people in there.

The answer you give me? Leave.

Leave doesn’t fix the problem, it just lets you stay in an echo chamber where you all tell yourselves how kind and helpful you are, while the people that need help leave because you really are not so.

[Laphael]

But don’t you see? This proves my point. I say the system is broken and it’s not a nice or helpful chat and only serves the egos of the people in there.

The answer you give me? Leave.

Leave doesn’t fix the problem, it just lets you stay in an echo chamber where you all tell yourselves how kind and helpful you are, while the people that need help leave because you really are not so.

You had a bad experience with spoiler, thats bad. I told you to report the person.

But NN is a world chat and if that bothers you so much, you CAN leave.

Sprouts do get help there all the time. The System is not broken just because you say it, thats the point.

[Canadane]

But NN is a world chat and if that bothers you so much, you CAN leave.

NN is not a world chat. It has a purpose and context. Don’t misuse it.

[Laphael]

NN is not a world chat. It has a purpose and context. Don’t misuse it.

First of all, i don´t like the chitchat in NN, as i said i´m mostly silent.

My claim that its a world chat is not my made up opinion. There was big drama few years ago on cerb, when a group of players tried to enforce the NN to be only for Questions and Help which ended with a few temporary bans because GMs said "the Novice Network is for all kind of conversation as long as it doesn´t violate the TOS".

[Wyakin]

This is the issue, it shouldn’t be for general chit chat or a world chat. It should be for assisting and teaching novices. We may actually have some players who know what they’re doing if it’s used for an actual purpose rather than zero rules

[SenorPatty]

You had a bad experience with spoiler, thats bad. I told you to report the person.

But NN is a world chat and if that bothers you so much, you CAN leave.

Sprouts do get help there all the time. The System is not broken just because you say it, thats the point.

This is the kind of response that lends credence to the belief that NN is what the mentors want it to be, not what it should be. With no overseeing leash and with a material reward attached to the system, mentors are free to do as they please. Sure, you can report the person responsible for the fracas, maybe even two. But what are you gonna do about a group who hasn't committed any infractions but will nonetheless band together to kick people they don't like? Nothing, especially if they decide to slather their kick with a report of their own, claiming you're the disruptive one?

The system works in japan because the mentorship is something they take as a collective with some degree of respect for themselves and the sprouts they interact with. Here in NA/EU, the bad apples do enough damage to see this whole thing either scrapped or reworked with mods checking in once in a while to see how it goes.