The toxicity starting to happen.

[Veis_Alveare]

Easiest way to solve this is to turn off tank stance and pull large and tell the healer to use their pro leet heals to keep everyone alive or just randomly shirk you aggro to the healer for laughs.

I DESPISE healers that want to pretend they know how to tank.

By 80 PLD you'd expect someone to know the basics of how enmity works in this game but I guess they can't all be winners.

So if you had tank stance on and hit enemies enough to establish primary threat then shirk a healer you're only giving them 25% of your enmity. That leaves 75% of it on you. The healer will not make up the remaining 50% be it through dps or healing so nothing will happen.

Maybe after a few GCDs eventually a strong dps will rip off of you, likely not all the enemies anyways, and even if that happens any healer with half a brain can heal through it if they're paying attention.

What you'd want to do is face pull (stance or no stance, doesn't matter) to trick a healer into getting enmity by healing you. Itll still probably fail, since enemies will wind up on dps assuming basic competence, but it would have a better chance of success than the trash proposition you listed.

This is also refusal to participate though, and is actionable against you should anyone in the instance choose to report

(Oh look, a healer who knows how to tank better than you)

[Delis]

Easiest way to solve this is to turn off tank stance and pull large and tell the healer to use their pro leet heals to keep everyone alive or just randomly shirk you aggro to the healer for laughs.

I DESPISE healers that want to pretend they know how to tank.

As a tank main, this mindset is one of the pettiest, childish thing. As a tank you don't set the pace, the group as a whole does, you as tank aren't special. If the group wants small pulls, pull small, if they want large, pull large. The first thing I do when joining a dungeon is ask if we are doing big or small pulls. Now if you are just starting out and not fully comfortable with big pulls, let the group know at the start of the dungeon, so everyone is on the same page. Though i would urge you to jump in and learn big pulls, best way way to learn is to just do it, and let the group know at the start, most groups are understanding.

One of the things in this game that really is lacking is communication, I think a lot of issues wouldn't become issues if people just open their mouths and communicate at the start of the dungeon.

[Lemuel81]

Easiest way to solve this is to turn off tank stance and pull large and tell the healer to use their pro leet heals to keep everyone alive or just randomly shirk you aggro to the healer for laughs.

I DESPISE healers that want to pretend they know how to tank.

Poor healers, we black mages already tell them to adjust. Not going to be room for DPSing haha

[Doozer]

From the mass zerg (GW2 term)

Uh I don't think "zerg" is from GW2. Pretty sure it's from StarCraft 2 or something?

Either way, toxicity isn't new, and you have a right to choose to not deal with it or be pushed around by toxic players. This includes reporting them for harassment, hate speech, or whatever it is they're doing that's a problem. Assuming it's a prohibited activity, of course.

[Gothicshark]

Uh I don't think "zerg" is from GW2. Pretty sure it's from StarCraft 2 or something?

Either way, toxicity isn't new, and you have a right to choose to not deal with it or be pushed around by toxic players. This includes reporting them for harassment, hate speech, or whatever it is they're doing that's a problem. Assuming it's a prohibited activity, of course.

StarCraft 1, it's the name of one of the 3 main factions, which is famous for rush tactics with small units.

The Zerg
https://youtu.be/MVbeoSPqRs4

[Evergrey]

Uh I don't think "zerg" is from GW2. Pretty sure it's from StarCraft 2 or something?

I think it's even as early as StarCraft 1. Zerg-rush has always been a thing in SC.

[Doozer]

I think it's even as early as StarCraft 1. Zerg-rush has always been a thing in SC.

Ah. I've never played them personally, I've just heard it in reference to StarCraft 2 most of the time.

[Evergrey]

Ah. I've never played them personally, I've just heard it in reference to StarCraft 2 most of the time.

I used to play a lot of SC1. Got the first "expansion(?)" of SC2 but it just wasn't my type of game anymore.

[Katie_Kitty]

More whining from scaredy cat single pulling tanks and the GCBTW that enables them. Hit your AoE buttons, use your cooldowns, it's not hard y'all. In fact it's easier than ever. Some of you people never would've made it before Shadowbringers.

[Bsrking5]

I've seen both. By that I mean the complete opposite. The tank pulling way to much and the healer telling them smaller groups. Happens, just decide if its correctable. If not leave. Im really happy they added ilvl requirements to leveling dungeons. There really isnt more of one over the other.