Man & Machine: a MCH Thread

[Jirah]

You generally solve this with a priority conflict.

Take Drill and Bio-Blaster.

You could make it so that both have a 40 second cooldown, but using one over the other sets the unused one to 1/2 the Recast. In this way, it is preferred to use drill against one target and bioblaster against more than one, but you would still use them both in either, though one would have to wonder how that'd play in practice when we have 6 gadgets across 3 shared cooldowns and trying to work that in between heatblast spam.

*Reduces so/so by 20 seconds* sounds like a fine idea for any other job. I seriously don’t understand the issue of ST/Aoe choice skills I doubt BRDs are banging on about Bloodletter and Rain of death limiting choices like this or any other skill that shares a CD with a AOE counterpart.

Ultimately if this shared action was removed it would just have more pointless skill filler to MCH already bloated but at the same time hollow design with having besides its 1-2-3 rotation, 2 gadget skills, 2 Charge skills which have 3 stacks each from the get go. Sure RDM has both Fleche skills that don’t share a CD but both are just baseless buttons to press that don’t contribute to anything. It’s not a bad thing but it isn’t goodjob design to have Skill filler like this

Great Jobs flow like a river from one point to the next, while MCH flows like a puddle with no direction.

[Kabooa]

Great Jobs flow like a river from one point to the next, while MCH flows like a puddle with no direction.

I get you don't like the current implementation, but making statements like this is disingenuous. The job has clear flow. It has a consistent priority structure and well defined burst windows.

It needs work, but calling it an undirected job is blatantly wrong.

[Jirah]

I get you don't like the current implementation, but making statements like this is disingenuous. The job has clear flow. It has a consistent priority structure and well defined burst windows.

It needs work, but calling it an undirected job is blatantly wrong.

I get you like the current implementation, but making statements like that makes me wonder what job your playing.

So the river comparison let’s take BRD as it’s MCH role cousin for example. From the get go at 80 you have 2 dots, 3 ogcds, 3 Ogcd songs, and 1 Attack buff. BRD has what MCH lacks, structure. Not a single skill is wasted and everything aligns to benefit BRD Kit. You don’t mindlessly button mash a few skills with the facade of speed, you don’t spam anything as unless it’s Fell cleave with large numbers and cathartic visuals spamming is not fun, more so if it’s ranged. Regardless of BRD potency issues and support issues it’s far more structured than MCH. With 2 ogcd wirh 3 charges each, 2 GCDs and its rotation with no road map but to spam spam spam then Increase heat to continue to spam spam spam. Then continue the blandest rotation in the game and rinse repeat. It’s a dog’s breakfast of a job lots of buttons barley any link

[Kabooa]

I get you like the current implementation, but making statements like that makes me wonder what job your playing.

Using my own words, and using them poorly at that, isn't doing you any favors. My own opinion on the current state of Machinist is pretty neutral. It's just a less punishing Stormblood.

This river blurb is interesting because it is full of objectively wrong information.

Not a single skill wasted: Warden's Paen, This is basically the equivalent of Mach's Flamethrower in breadth of use. There are very specific cases where it has use, but then so there is for Flamethrower.

Everything aligns: Man, do the other bards have words for you.

Mindlessly mashing skills: Literally Heavy(Burst) Shot. Hope you proc.

Rotation Roadmap: You can literally map out every single GCD and OGCD usage on Machinist. You cannot on Bard, primarily because its based on procs. You can, however, plan most of the important ones - Namely your Barrage Refulgent and your dot refresh Iron Jaws, and your song windows.

[Jirah]

Using my own words, and using them poorly at that, isn't doing you any favors. My own opinion on the current state of Machinist is pretty neutral. It's just a less punishing Stormblood.

This river blurb is interesting because it is full of objectively wrong information.

Not a single skill wasted: Warden's Paen, This is basically the equivalent of Mach's Flamethrower in breadth of use. There are very specific cases where it has use, but then so there is for Flamethrower.

Everything aligns: Man, do the other bards have words for you.

Mindlessly mashing skills: Literally Heavy(Burst) Shot. Hope you proc.

Rotation Roadmap: You can literally map out every single GCD and OGCD usage on Machinist. You cannot on Bard, primarily because its based on procs. You can, however, plan most of the important ones - Namely your Barrage Refulgent and your dot refresh Iron Jaws, and your song windows.

Let me focus on the facts then and remain on topic.

drawing straws at BRD support for your argument are we when the situation was for a single target boss not support which MCH doesnt hold a candle despite the moniker of "ranged support" which is defined by the role itself. Flamethrower doesnt accumulate heat nor compliments anything what so ever or enhances anything like most skills do but wasnt talking about flamethrower but it certainly is a off handed fragmented skill much like the whole job in general.

What words are those? Unless you have nothing to say about it yourself

Incredibly poor example, for one BRD isnt forced to press it over and over like Heat blast and two it adapts to each song and keeping its dots on is the bigger focus and they all at least have a link without getting to much into the kit.

also a less punishing Stormblood? they lost like 8 skills its and what they added as replacements just made the job have more buttons to press but no buttons that align with one another. which was my point overall

[Kabooa]

Let me focus on the facts then and remain on topic.

drawing straws at BRD support for your argument are we when the situation was for a single target boss not support which MCH doesnt hold a candle despite the moniker of "ranged support" which is defined by the role itself. Flamethrower doesnt accumulate heat nor compliments anything what so ever or enhances anything like most skills do but wasnt talking about flamethrower but it certainly is a off handed fragmented skill much like the whole job in general.

What words are those? Unless you have nothing to say about it yourself

Incredibly poor example, for one BRD isnt forced to press it over and over like Heat blast and two it adapts to each song and keeping its dots on is the bigger focus and they all at least have a link without getting to much into the kit.

also a less punishing Stormblood? they lost like 8 skills its and what they added as replacements just made the job have more buttons to press but no buttons that align with one another. which was my point overall

You laid no situation, you said "no wasted skills". Your lack of precision isn't my fault, nor my problem.

Bard isn't forced to press Heavy/Burst Shot? You sure you want to make that claim?

Yes, less punishing than Stormblood. You're more than welcome to to prove otherwise, but you're going to have a hard time doing that when all data shows one of the tightest performance bands belongs to the Machinist.

[Jirah]

You laid no situation, you said "no wasted skills". Your lack of precision isn't my fault, nor my problem.

Bard isn't forced to press Heavy/Burst Shot? You sure you want to make that claim?

Yes, less punishing than Stormblood. You're more than welcome to to prove otherwise, but you're going to have a hard time doing that when all data shows one of the tightest performance bands belongs to the Machinist.

Compared to heat blast where you can’t press anything but Heat Blast, compared yes as not all situations does it require you to press it when EA or jaws need to be pressed or a song switch as sad as it is that I have to explain this. This topic is getting way off course. It was about MCH now we’ve lost the point. so I’ll end it here