Man & Machine: a MCH Thread

[Adventica6]

I don't agree with anything here, it could use a slight buff and that is it.

Always amazed by the amount of people trying to redesign the job, don't like, then quit.

It isn't constructive feedback when all you talk about is what you don't like and having a fit. later.

[ty_taurus]

I don't agree with anything here, it could use a slight buff and that is it.

Always amazed by the amount of people trying to redesign the job, don't like, then quit.

It isn't constructive feedback when all you talk about is what you don't like and having a fit. later.

Hi, not really a MCH player here (only recently started leveling it on my goal to get everything to 80 and am at 68 so far). Just wanted to chime in and say this mentality not healthy for game design. Telling players if they don't like things "then don't play it" is not very conductive to actually seeing genuine improvement in game design. Now, there is something to be said about always wanting to reinvent the wheel, but people should be allowed and encouraged to voice their concerns, because if we don't, then the jobs just forever stay the same and almost all the jobs do need at least a little fine tuning. I don't know enough about MCH yet to have any meaningful contribution to this conversation, but I just wanted to call this out because we have to stop destroying each other over these kinds of things.

Criticism does need to be constructive, however, and we can certainly talk about, debate, and even argue over whether things are good, bad, broken, or perfect, but just shutting the conversation down does no one any favors.

[CKNovel]

I don't agree with anything here, it could use a slight buff and that is it.

Always amazed by the amount of people trying to redesign the job, don't like, then quit.

It isn't constructive feedback when all you talk about is what you don't like and having a fit. later.

Can you say you are happy with Flamethrower current state?
Press the button and wait 10 seconds, are you truly happy with it? If that's the case, I recommend you to try idle games. If not, you agree with this topic.
In my case, I can get up to grab some coffee, before it's finished.

There is only criticism, feedback and concerns about the job. We don't want to redesign the job, only to make the next iteration better while keeping the current iteration.

I allowed myself to look at your profile to try to understand where you come from.
Can you claim to be able to fully appreciate, evaluate the job based on your experience? Based on your profile, you are either casual or an alt. The first is not a problem, not at all.
Every opinion matters, no matter where they come from.

But is someone cooking pasta and fries able to fully understand cooking aswell as a chef?
My point is: If you lack experience, you want to open your mind about criticisms and feedback.
Having an open mind is a rule that must applies to everyone. Anyone, even with decades of experience, can still learn or forget the basics.

Flamethrower is the pure basic of it.
It's a relic from Stormblood, it has no interaction, no fun to use.
Wildfire suffers the same problem, you press it and do as usual. It could be a 120s 1200 potency cooldown with a 10s delay, there would be no differences.
Automaton Queen is a glorified dot.

All of those above are not opinion, those are facts.

[Ayanumi]

I don't agree with anything here, it could use a slight buff and that is it.

Always amazed by the amount of people trying to redesign the job, don't like, then quit.

It isn't constructive feedback when all you talk about is what you don't like and having a fit. later.

The irony of this comment is staggering when the job literally just got reworked in a totally different direction which removed almost all of the job elements which previous MCH players enjoyed. (Turrets, ammo, procs, wildfire function, utility)
Didnt like HW and SB MCH? Then just stop crying about MCH being too rigid and complex and pick another job 4head.

[Jirah]

I don't agree with anything here, it could use a slight buff and that is it.

Always amazed by the amount of people trying to redesign the job, don't like, then quit.

It isn't constructive feedback when all you talk about is what you don't like and having a fit. later.

Giving modern MCH mains a bad name

[Payotz]

Imo, there's a lot of things wrong with MCH now.

The lack of complexity and depth, our signature skill(Wildfire) being outclassed by Drill and Air Anchor, and the loss of Midfires in our rotation which I really personally enjoyed and is extremely satisfying to pull off.

They honestly didn't put any effort in the MCH redesign in my opinion. What they did to MCH is pretty much them removing DWT, Bahamuth, Aetherflow and Phoenix from SMN and just replaced them with one button for AkhMorn, one button for Deathflare and one button for Revelation, and then called it a day.

I really don't like the trend of simplifying jobs that they're doing, but the way they did MCH is just ridiculous. They turned it from the highest skill floor job, to literally the easiest job in the game.

Another thing that I have issues with is Queen. It looks cool, it looks hype, but damn is it buggy as hell. Queen can't switch targets in E6S, Queen can kill your doll in TEA for no reason, and Queen can literally glitch out in Uplift, and by the nature of it being melee, if it does glitch for 1.5 seconds, that's you losing out on potency just because of the AI in this game.

And this is my criticism for the role in general but where the hell is our utility? We had this identity of being more of a "Utility DPS" with Palisade, Refresh and what content can we use Leg Graze, Arm Graze and Head Graze on? I was looking forward to actually using Leg Graze on E8S adds but WHOOPS SORRY IT'S IMMUNE LOOOOL.
SE literally just turned us all into a 1% Party buff and called it a day. GIVE ME BACK MY DISMANTLE and my VULN UPs.

I've played 5.0 MCH for about a year now. I gave it an honest shot, and I tried to like it. There are things that I love about it, like how satisfying RA+ Drill is and all that, but it doesn't outweigh my criticisms on the job and the role in general. I just wish that they'll fix the job and the role in the future.

Until then, I'm playing Shadow Priest.

[Jirah]

Snip

Exactly my qupis with the jobs in general, even healer and tanks suffer from this "lobotomy" theirs 101 ways to fix it but MCH...MCH isnt a simple fix or shift in DPS it needs a overhaul which sadly wont happen since the general population thinks it already had one but in rwality it lost more than it gained.

Ranged roles have suffered to this aswell "Physical ranged DPS attack foes from a distance. They excel at inflicting sustained damage, and also provide support for companions."

BRD and DNC are all hunky-dory with buffs and team support but this Information taken directly from FF14 Official site, and MCH has nothing besides "Role action" buff every 120 that literal every ranged has. So its wrong MCH should 100% support! Ranged jobs with DPS capabilities as BLM or MNK but not really isnt what ranged is all about unless they can alter the definition of a Physical ranged DPS

[ItMe]

Lotta people here ragging on it for a lack of complexity.
However, that's kind of a "glass half empty" view of it IMO.
I enjoy MCH because its rotation is simple enough that it's actually quite flexible. Regardless of what they do with MCH in the future I hope the flexibility remains.

[Jirah]

Lotta people here ragging on it for a lack of complexity.
However, that's kind of a "glass half empty" view of it IMO.
I enjoy MCH because its rotation is simple enough that it's actually quite flexible. Regardless of what they do with MCH in the future I hope the flexibility remains.

Jobs that dont improve stagnate, wishing for jobs to continue doing nothing hurts the job. "raging" If u like the job fine but if ur not gonna contribute to the debate without any counterclaims or perspective on ur behhave its best to just ignore the post all together

[Jirah]

Ignoring the whole strawmen debate despite many in the forums hoping for it.

all of ur pros boil down to is "its easy" and everything u said can be about any bloody job, MCH isnt the patron saint of hard as hell jobs this is ff14 no jobs are THAT complex to require a job as remedial as MCH. RDM is easy but it has a support back bone, DNC is easy but is support is fun to utilize MCH is easier and has none. The fights is a whole discussion all together as thats not the jobs fault but a easy ranged job that doesnt have to worry about support, positions or MP bars, and have the least amount of skills in the game and none interplay with eachother unlike most Jobs, and its DPS 1-2-3 is the most bare bones, lower than Tanks, thats a issue for a dps that only can dps along with its other issues like Aoes being disconnected, ping, wildfire being token, battery turrets being lateral to MCH besides the resource itself, Turrets targeting issues, and Heat blast being the most mundane process to press it 5 times to optimized everythining (yes u weave ur spam buttons too) and the overheat speed penalization making zero sense.

Jobs are all suffering a purge of thought, astro made simplier, healers made simplier, MCh made simplier, and soon Monk will be lobotomized. disregarding it all as "raging" on forums no less is counter-intuitive and could easily get ur point across by saying "disagree" and moving on

I dont need a job to be handicapped to make content fun like "shive EX" as relevant as that is