Thread: 6.0 Red Mage speculation

Here's what I would like to see:

Mana Burn: Trait that adds an additional affect to Enchanted Reprise: When Black and White Mana are Unbalanced, increase potency and spend an additional 5 Mana of the higher color.

Enhanced Moulinet: Trait that adds stacks of Ardor when using Enchanted Moulinet. Each stack increases potency of the next weaponskill, all stacks removed if any move other than Enchanted Moulinet or VerMeteor is used.

VerMeteor: Replaces Impact while player has stacks of Ardor. Instant cast that removes all stacks of Ardor and deals AoE damage based on the number of stacks of Ardor it removes. Possibly increases B/W mana.

Make Embolden affect all damage for allies, not just physical.

I am seeing a similar theme pop up for RDM changes/wishlist: Some sort of benefit to being Unbalanced.

I agree. It would add nice depth to an already well-designed RDM combat mechanic if there would be more instances where you trigger an ability/utility from being all Black Mana or all White Mana. It would still be generally bad but have niche situations where you would want to be Unbalanced.

Originally Posted by Daws

+ More runes cause Wanda.
+ An aoe melee combo finisher. Perhaps Moulinet triggers it and modifies the existing melee buttons (save on keybind headaches).
? What if RDM had a dot? Make rotation more interesting? A chore? Meh?
? On the unbalanced benefit thing...what if RDMs got a new cd whose effect changed based on your higher mana type. Doesn't work if in balance.

No DoTs, please. One of the reasons I like RDM is because it's one of the classes that doesn't involve baby sitting DoTs. And if there's no "baby sitting" involved, if there's no additional wrinkle to the gameplay because of it, and it's just baked into part of the regular rotation then it doesn't really add or change anything.

I'm not sure what to do about the unbalanced mana benefit myself. On one hand, I can understand wanting some sort of fun tool to make use of or even just correct a mana imbalance. But on the other hand, intentionally choosing to throw your mana out of balance feels like it runs counter to the whole design of the job in the first place. If you need to, say, imbalance white mana to access some sort of powerful ability as part of the intended play of the job it would just feel wrong. But if it's just an additional tool to help balance out your mana if you get too far ahead it might feel inconsequential and overly situational. Like "Hey, I got this cool new skill! ... that I never see because it's too situational to use 99% of the time!" That was one of the biggest issues that led to Monk not feeling great to play. The best I could see for this is to just have some sort of balancing effect added to an ability we already have.

One thing that could be interesting is to have our raise and cure impact our Mana balance in some way. I'm not sure how it would work exactly but it's always felt a little off that we can do what some would consider the most powerful thing in the game, chain rez, and yet it doesn't impact our accumulation of mana at all. More of a lore bit than a gameplay bit, but it feels weird.

Originally Posted by Grimoire-M

To be fair there is a good argument for DoTs on Red Mage. Each tick could also generate Mana over time.

I dislike the idea of adding a DoT and I dislike it even more if we add mana per tick to it. We're already doing quick +9s and +11s in our heads per cast. I loathe the idea of also having to take into account "this three tick DoT will give me +9 but I won't see the whole +9 until 9 seconds from the time I cast it, so when I cast a spell three seconds from now I have to remember there are still 6 mana coming and then when I cast the next spell after that there might still be 3 mana incoming". Or, "if I have to clip this longer DoT, how much mana am I actually going to end up with?"

Not necessarily a gameplay change but I would like to see the inclusion of water/ice spells to their kits seeing as they use the elements from white and black mage. I’d like those to be included visually.

An ability that lets you use enchanted weaponskills without needing or expending mana.

Originally Posted by Cled-cat

As for new abilities, I can only think of one thing that’ll really complete RDM and make it feel perfect; an AoE finisher spell. I’d love VerFlood

VerFlood. I love this. SE, please make this happen.