Is a level skip worth it?

[Edax]

The point of Gula's argument is that they hate leveling but like the rest of the game. In the context of Gula's argument, you're saying that they hate SAM and PLD so they must hate the rest of the game too. However, just like how the game allows you to change your class/job if you hate it, the level skip potion allows people to skip stuff they hate to play stuff they like.

(Also, 90% of the content you've been bringing up isn't skipped by level skip potions)

It's the same concept. If you don't like progression, maybe RPGs aren't worth your money. Spend your money how you like, but your not getting value from it.

[AwesomeJr44]

Grinding the same dungeon over and over =/= progression
playing POTD over and over =/= progression
spamming buttons on the placard =/= progression

however...

playing through raid tiers with your FC = progression
trying to clear every extreme trial synced = progression
making gil on the market board is still a bit of a grind but still = progression
playing through the MSQ = progression
and ultimately, playing the things about the game you enjoy = progression

Maybe you have a differing view on what the word 'progression' means to you, but grinding a class/job by doing the same thing over and over is not the only part of an RPG, especially not an MMO RPG.
While in single player games, its more about the journey, in MMOs, leveling is about the end goal, not how or what you do to get there. Regardless of whether or not I choose to buy the skip potion (still deciding), if there wasn't enjoyable end-game content waiting for me at the end of the grind, then why waste time/money leveling to get to that point?
Imagine a game where the only part of it was slowly leveling your class/job up and that was it. Nothing to use that job in. No story, no end-game content, just leveling. Maybe you'd like that, and if so that's alright, but at least in my opinion, that's not a very good payoff for all that work.

This is mainly my own opinion, and maybe I'm in the minority here, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that yet.

[Edax]

Grinding the same dungeon over and over =/= progression
playing POTD over and over =/= progression

It is if you're progressing.

While in single player games, its more about the journey, in MMOs, leveling is about the end goal, not how or what you do to get there.

Leveling isn't just about the end goal. There wouldn't be any point to leveling if it weren't appealing. There wouldn't even be a need for a leveling system if that were the case.

Imagine a game where the only part of it was slowly leveling your class/job up and that was it. Nothing to use that job in. No story, no end-game content, just leveling. Maybe you'd like that, and if so that's alright, but at least in my opinion, that's not a very good payoff for all that work.

Well in your hypothetical game, there's no progression because nothing changes in gameplay. One of my favorite parts of an RPG is when I'm low level and I'm constantly experiencing a dopamine rush from rapidly unlocking new content and gameplay. It's some of the most dynamic part of an RPG.

[AwesomeJr44]

It is if you're progressing.

It would be progressing if you're doing a dungeon, POTD, or HoH for the first time and getting to new floors. The key words here are 'over and over'. Once you've cleared that content, you'll need to play it again and again to level up, even though you've already experienced everything in that dungeon. If there was new and interesting content on every run (to at least a reasonable number of runs), then playing multiple times could be progression, but that's not the case.

Leveling isn't just about the end goal. Being max level isn't all that appealing in RPGs for many.

That is true for normal RPGs as being max level with maxed gear typically means that you can easily cheese every single boss in the game, but in an MMO like this one, there's not only level sync (and item level sync), but also content meant for players at max level. The final bosses of the other Final Fantasy games aren't meant to face maxed leveled players, but rather the average leveled player for that point in the game.
However, this game provides content like Eden raids and the Yorha raids (and the current MSQ) that can ONLY be accessed at level 80, meaning you need to be at max level to experience the end game content. So if you're the type of person who doesn't want to be at max level (not saying YOU are, but for the people that are), why would you be playing an MMO that requires you to have jobs at maximum level for certain content?
I'm working on the post-Stormblood stuff right now on my main, which requires me to be level 70 or above or I cannot even access that part of the story. What if other non-MMO RPGs started keeping you from finishing them if you didn't reach the maximum level? Would you even want to play them if you couldn't finish the story without a massive grind?

Well in your hypothetical game, there's no progression because nothing changes in gameplay. One of my favorite parts of an RPG is when I'm low level and I'm constantly experiencing a dopamine rush from rapidly unlocking new content and gameplay. It's some of the most dynamic part of an RPG.

If that's what you like, then do that. I admit that making alts and speeding through the first 15-20 levels with the Helm of Light is pretty fun, but you should at least have some higher goals for your main account, do you agree with at least that? (Your account has a lv 80 samurai in Shirogane btw so you clearly do)

[Lium]

Not sure if it's been answered, but if you buy a skip potion, do all the job quests auto-complete? Because I'm kind of enjoying the DRK quests. Currently at level 56, but tanking isn't really my thing, and I'm only leveling it to get all four roles to 80 so I can unlock the final role quest cutscene.

[AwesomeJr44]

Not sure if it's been answered, but if you buy a skip potion, do all the job quests auto-complete?

They do skip the job quests, so if you're interested in the DRK quests, you may want to avoid the skip potion. Although, I heard you can go back and do certain cleared quests with New Game+, so you may want to look into that. You might be able to go back and play them if that's the case.

[Edax]

It would be progressing if you're doing a dungeon, POTD, or HoH for the first time and getting to new floors. The key words here are 'over and over'. Once you've cleared that content, you'll need to play it again and again to level up, even though you've already experienced everything in that dungeon. If there was new and interesting content on every run (to at least a reasonable number of runs), then playing multiple times could be progression, but that's not the case.

By that logic, progression ends after you've killed your first mob at level 1 and every mob kill after that is somehow invalid. That's not how that works, you don't need to have to do something completely new every time to progress in an RPG.

That is true for normal RPGs as being max level with maxed gear typically means that you can easily cheese every single boss in the game, but in an MMO like this one, there's not only level sync (and item level sync), but also content meant for players at max level. The final bosses of the other Final Fantasy games aren't meant to face maxed leveled players, but rather the average leveled player for that point in the game.
However, this game provides content like Eden raids and the Yorha raids (and the current MSQ) that can ONLY be accessed at level 80, meaning you need to be at max level to experience the end game content. So if you're the type of person who doesn't want to be at max level (not saying YOU are, but for the people that are), why would you be playing an MMO that requires you to have jobs at maximum level for certain content?

The idea is that you unlock content as you progress. You get new stuff to do at both low levels and high levels.

If that's what you like, then do that. I admit that making alts and speeding through the first 15-20 levels with the Helm of Light is pretty fun, but you should at least have some higher goals for your main account, do you agree with at least that? (Your account has a lv 80 samurai in Shirogane btw so you clearly do)

I am leveling my other jobs.

[AwesomeJr44]

By that logic, progression ends after you've killed your first mob at level 1 and every mob kill after that is somehow invalid. That's not how that works, you don't need to have to do something completely new every time to progress in an RPG.

Grinding POTD/HoH and killing one single mob at level 1 are not the same thing at all. If you want to compare it correctly using mobs, it's like killing the same set of mobs over and over to level all the way up until 60, where you switch to a second group of mobs until 70. Of course, there's not a single legitimate leveling guide out there that tells you to farm level 1 mobs outside of your first class when at a very low level. You're not going to be grinding the level 1 mobs with alt classes the same way you do POTD or HoH.

The idea is that you unlock content as you progress. You get new stuff to do at both low levels and high levels.

The VAST majority of content you will unlock throughout the game is reachable on your first class/job. The only things an alt class unlocks is a different experience in content you already have unlocked (after a certain level when the class/job becomes interesting and only until it becomes a grind which leveling is) and class/job quests that not everyone finds enjoyable. When I did the Machinist quests up until 45, I found myself uninterested in the story of the Machinist job quests. Normally I find the story in this game enjoyable but not enough to grind out the quests for an okay story. (with some exceptions that don't include Machinist) Other than that, skipping to 70 doesn't skip any new content, just grinding on stuff you've already played.

I am leveling my other jobs.

My point still stands. You're eventually going to run out of classes to level in the lower areas of the game and will be eventually be at maximum level, or start a lower level alt character. And if there really was some other bit of content that you should to grind each class/job slowly to unlock slowly, you'll need to progress (actual progression) further in the game to get there. If being at a lower level gives you a dopamine rush, you're eventually going to need to be at max level to continue getting new content or get an alt to get that rush. And in the case where you do get an alt, my previous point applies.

[lolicon09]

Personally, no. I see no point in playing a game like this and skip the levelling process. Also, levelling yourself helps with learning how your skills/actions work

[Seddrinth]

Most jobs it’s a insufferably adjustment as you get traits and skills you have to read carefully then piece out your rotations accordingly

Having said that MCH has the least amount of skills in the game, the easiest job in the game and the one with the least amount of confusing or punishing mechs within its kit. It also miraculously doesn’t evolve much past 50 besides 1-2 skills so if you got it’s 50 rotation down you essentially got its 80 rotation down as it gets nothing but Aoe Fodder or “upgrades” ie like Broil or Aero.

If Que times are a issue I suggest call your FC for help, or do fates while you wait as fates are swarmed nowadays thanks to events. But honestly if you could Care less about the Job quests MCH is the least harmful to Level skip. Any other job would be a nightmare to relearn with 18+ skills everywhere but thankfully MCH is a subpar job

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