Housing Ownership System Abuse

[Awha]

If someone calls you selfish own up to it, it is not inherently wrong being selfish. If you have time and money that you wish to use on your hobby go for it. Do not ever feel bad enjoying your hobby if it is within the rules never let someone try to put you down.

Being selfish is not inherently a bad thing. it js your time and money use it as you see fit just operate with the rules.

[Penthea]

If someone calls you selfish own up to it, it is not inherently wrong being selfish. If you have time and money that you wish to use on your hobby go for it. Do not ever feel bad enjoying your hobby if it is within the rules never let someone try to put you down.

Being selfish is not inherently a bad thing. it js your time and money use it as you see fit just operate with the rules.

It is true that selfishness is not inherently a bad thing. It really depends on what you do with the selfishness and your motives. Everyone needs to be a bit selfish at times for the preservation of their own well-being. Whether that's things like making sure you have enough food to eat, or cutting someone out of your life who is a source of stress.

But going too far one way or the other is bad. Being too selfless can mean denying your own well-being, and being too selfish can mean denying the well-being of others. It is especially damaging when neither end of the spectrum is even necessary.

However this is a philosophical debate that is going into the realms of being off-topic.

There is a supply and demand issue, and those hoarding plots are making a bad situation worse. They are most definitely not the core of the issue, but it is clear SE are not willing to take very decisive action on the core issue...so then people look at other issues, and one of those is players who are hoarding a large number of plots. So then threads like this happen over and over again.

And these threads will never stop being made unless SE meet the demands of the playerbase so that no one could ever be unable to buy a house due to availability issues, or unless SE decide to revoke hoarded plots so they can be more evenly distributed among players.

As long as nothing changes, neither will threads like these or the debates in them.

[Sylvastreak]

unless we get instanced housing for every character and FC

Ah there it is, the instanced housing.

You've already made it clear that your stance on this is extremely black and white when you said "In general, "right" encompasses all things that are not wrong, and are allowable."
Just because a single account can hold up to 8 FC houses doesn't mean that's necessarily what SE want people to do. Giving you the possibility to do something doesn't mean "hey go do it!" Nor does it mean it's right and fair.

And as for being on an rp server? Spriggan is in no way an rp server. If it was, you could probably easily co-ordinate between several people in an FC to move their personals to the same area and transform them into a mini neighbourhood without the need for multiple accounts or dummy FCs.

[Catstab]

And as for being on an rp server? Spriggan is in no way an rp server.

No one said it was. I was explaining my opinion that the "one FC house per account" rule likely was discontinued chiefly to benefit roleplaying players on roleplaying servers. I didn't mean to confuse you, I do apologize.

SE wants people to play their game within the rules. Why would they allow 8 FCs houses per account if they didn't want you to do it?

Is it fair? Yes, because anyone can do it if they invest the money and time. Is it what's best for the community? No, it's rather skewed towards the player - that said, it's only possible on servers without much of a community (read: Spriggan). Nothing that is within the rules can accurately be described as "not right."

[Sylvastreak]

Is it fair? Yes, because anyone can do it if they invest the money and time.

You realize you're assuming everyone has the money or time to drop upwards of £100 on a sub every month, which is inherently unfair and also incredibly incorrect and blinkered.
Some people are also on the basic rather than full sub wherein they can only have one character per server because they can't afford to pay any more than that per month, but still want to play and own housing.

So no, it is still not fair.

[Catstab]

...you're assuming everyone has the money or time... which is inherently unfair and also incredibly incorrect...
Some people... can't afford... to play

So no, it is still not fair.

More money and more time being dedicated gets you further faster in absolutely everything in life. If you work out for six hours on six days of the week, you'll gain faster than someone working out for 15 minutes every other day. If you spend 60 thousand dollars on a car, it's going to be a better driving experience than one I bought out of my neighbors driveway for 2,000.

Saying "Getting more for your time invested isn't fair, because not everyone chooses to dedicate the same amount of time" is clueless. Of course not everyone has the same dedication. Some people put more into the game, and those people who are more dedicated and more resourceful will enjoy more rewards. And that is indeed fair.

[Awha]

You realize you're assuming everyone has the money or time to drop upwards of £100 on a sub every month, which is inherently unfair and also incredibly incorrect and blinkered.
Some people are also on the basic rather than full sub wherein they can only have one character per server because they can't afford to pay any more than that per month, but still want to play and own housing.

So no, it is still not fair.

That is not the communities problem though. It is fair since anyone can do it if they have the time and money. It is a hobby since people have money they can freely spend. This reminds me of when I started war hammer 40k days as a kid I would cry and whine to my dad and the shop owner it was not fun and unfair how my basic army was at a disadvantage.

They explained to me that it will not always be fair and how some people with money and time will go further for their hobby and that I should not be envious or have a desire to police their fun.

B

[PewPewPewPewPew]

... $4.5-9k/year (assuming that an annual subscription costs $150). If a player wants to own a ward IMO they should pay for the ward. Why should you get a discount?

But what if I told you I can easily shoulder this kind of pocket change spending for hobbies?

Are you going to tell me how much of a scumbag I am now? How I'm so morally unjust and such a terrible person? Let me guess, I have 'no life' and that the only thing I have are just houses and how I must be like this in real life too? Or that I should go look in a mirror now in disgust because I bought up a bunch of pixel space in a game?

You really think your diatribes about flimsy morals are going to stop someone like me from guilt? No. They aren't. And it wont stop others alike because we don't live to satisfy people online. There are many players like me out there, not just in this game but every game. People who have the money to easily invest in the hobbies they enjoy. What may be expensive and outrageous spending for you and others, is justified and manageable by just as many others. There will always be people like me who can and will pay more for more things. You can cry to SE and your internet crowd of forum posse as much as you want to change whatever, but it ain't going to satisfy you. People who are determined to have more houses for whatever reason are gonna get those houses within the rules and limitations of the TOS and you'll still be in last place both in game and out of game.

And so what of it? Ok, so I'm selfish for wanting what I want out of my money spent. Sorry I'm selfish for expecting to get what I want from what I put in. It is the amount of entitlement that people like you put on display every other thread which is simply abhorrent. That for putting in 1/100th of the work, you expect to have 100x of what you put in. Insane. And then when there are people putting in 100x of the work you do, it's WRONG, it's IMMORAL, it's SELFISH, it's GREEDY. What's next, you're going to demand the govt put controls on corporate salaries so we can't get too rich to buy pixel houses in mass? Mind blowing.

People this matter has to be solved by going straight to the source and not complaining about and demonizing players. Several among us house people have already gone to the GM on your behalf, turned ourselves in and got told that nothing we did was wrong.

But you don't believe it, you don't buy it. OK, then how about instead of coming to the forums every few days and opening the same thread about nothing and going to the same dead end, go talk to the GMs and have a debate with them. If this matter is truly important to you, don't you think an increased # of people complaining to the GMs and engaging in conversation with them will raise awareness? If you don't think so, then give up and accept that this is how things are.

[Almagnus1]

But what if I told you I can easily shoulder this kind of pocket change spending for hobbies?

Then what's your problem?

Nothing wrong with putting your own enjoyment above others. It is okay to be selfish, so what exactly is the problem since I fail to see it?

And this is the entire disconnect right here. It's not OK to be selfish, but this is a point we're not likely going to agree over - so since we're not going to find common ground from this, we're not likely to agree on much else relating this housing cluster.

[PewPewPewPewPew]

And this is the entire disconnect right here. It's not OK to be selfish, but this is a point we're not likely going to agree over - so since we're not going to find common ground from this, we're not likely to agree on much else relating this housing cluster.

By who's definition is it not OK to be selfish? Yours? And who made you the police of whether that's ok or not?