Dps meters

[LittleImp]

So why did I have to point it to the log location when I first set it up?

I think it's because the program was originally designed to parse on-disk logfiles for EQ2 which actively logs to disk, and the setup wizard still reflects that. The plugin for 14 itself just reads and decodes network data directly using a network capture library called Machina.

[Gothicshark]

Same lol dps meters encourage cheating and you can't use dps meters without hacking in this game

That is false, the use is banned, but to use them all they do is monitor combat chat logs, which the game autogenerates already.

[Risvertasashi]

I am glad they aren't in the game.. coming from WoW I have seen the trouble they bring.

I am confused though.. if dps meters aren't allowed in the game why do I see youtubers from this game showing themselves playing while using one?

Going to give you the benefit of the doubt and give a serious response...

Officially, all third-party addons/tools/mods are not allowed. Unofficially, there's a very gray spectrum that SE tolerates as long as certain conditions are met. In the case of DPS meters, SE won't action you for just using them. They may action you if you mention using it in game, and are especially likely to come down on you if you use it to harass someone.

High end raiding in this game would not be very viable without the meters - there are a lot of strict DPS checks - and a very large number of high end players would quit if SE strictly enforced the ban. However, Yoshi (the producer) has said he doesn't want to officially allow or support a meter either, as it would lead to PFs requiring that players be able to prove certain numbers and so on.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

So if I myself am doing meager DPS I can gradually improve myself as opposed to remaining a detriment in extreme/savage content.

[SenorPatty]

Dps meter thread?

But we're not even in patch lull time. Isn't this illegal?!?!

[Nabril]

Can you honestly say that there is absolutely no good possible with a DPS meter? Can you say that they are incapable of serving a positive need?

Why do we have savage content in this game if no one here is ever supposed to care how much DPS the party is using? I mean- I could understand the absence of a DPS meter if there was no savage content. But to have such content without allowing DPS meters is just... hypocritical.

[Gemina]

Can you honestly say that there is absolutely no good possible with a DPS meter? Can you say that they are incapable of serving a positive need?

Why do we have savage content in this game if no one here is ever supposed to care how much DPS the party is using? I mean- I could understand the absence of a DPS meter if there was no savage content. But to have such content without allowing DPS meters is just... hypocritical.

It's kind of an iffy area, but I think the answer to both your questions is no. However, the meters are a double-edged sword. Because they can be used maliciously, SE has to prohibit them. There really isn't a way around that. But I wish they would say just that, instead of the comments that hover around not wanting the community to become toxic. I'm not saying that isn't true, but that particular comment seems like side-stepping instead of addressing the issue head on.

The situation in savage is exactly what they want to avoid, because the meters would allow the group to see whose DPS is lacking. Like I said, it's a touchy area. While I personally would want to know if I'm holding the group back, you just never know when you will end up with some snowflake in your group who is going to make things difficult whether they remain in your group or not after they are called out. The meters would just create a mess SE wants to avoid.

In all fairness, the status quo of "I was looking, but I didn't see anything." has been working for quite some time now, and probably just best to let sleeping dogs lie. I think we've had two live letters now since the last time Yoshi mentioned it iirc. If I'm correct, that was likely the last time he will ever address it because he is done talking about it. So long as he is at the helm, FFXIV will never see DPS meters supported in-game, and that is that.

[ForteNightshade]

The situation in savage is exactly what they want to avoid, because the meters would allow the group to see whose DPS is lacking. Like I said, it's a touchy area. While I personally would want to know if I'm holding the group back, you just never know when you will end up with some snowflake in your group who is going to make things difficult whether they remain in your group or not after they are called out. The meters would just create a mess SE wants to avoid.

Why is this scenario bad though? If someone is woefully underperforming, they should be held accountable. What I never understand about this aversion to DPS meters is even if parses were fully allowed with no restrictions. The ToS still exists. If people harassed someone over their damage, they'd be subject to potential bans just cursing someone out now does. Square's stance is largely because they want to coddle the playerbase. Yoshida has outright said he wants people to pick up the slack for inexperienced players. Which is a mindset that directly contradicts how the community views endgame content outside learning parties.

The irony is without that site everybody knows of, the raid scene would implode within a week. And SE knows it. They're entirely dependent on third party tools they otherwise dislike.

[Goji1639]

Why is this scenario bad though? If someone is woefully underperforming, they should be held accountable. What I never understand about this aversion to DPS meters is even if parses were fully allowed with no restrictions. The ToS still exists. If people harassed someone over their damage, they'd be subject to potential bans just cursing someone out now does. Square's stance is largely because they want to coddle the playerbase. Yoshida has outright said he wants people to pick up the slack for inexperienced players. Which is a mindset that directly contradicts how the community views endgame content outside learning parties.

The irony is without that site everybody knows of, the raid scene would implode within a week. And SE knows it. They're entirely dependent on third party tools they otherwise dislike.

I agree that Savage/Ultimate should be an entirely different scene in terms of what's allowed in party interaction. If you want to do progression content you HAVE to be willing to improve, and that involves taking criticism. Protecting people from criticism in Savage makes no sense.

I would assume SE's desire to protect casual players from criticism is mostly focused on the other 99% of the games content, where things are easy and criticism is mostly contentious and pointless. I mean, on these forums I see a lot of people who seem to enjoy nagging and nitpicking casual players in easy content. I can only imagine how insufferable these people would be with parsers they could reference confidently.

I've suggested before SE including a parser, but making it only functional in Savage/Ultimate and on training dummies. It seems like a fair compromise.

[Liam_Harper]

I've suggested before SE including a parser, but making it only functional in Savage/Ultimate and on training dummies. It seems like a fair compromise.

EX is debatable too but I agree with this. It's a very fair compromise.