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    There is a distinct line between a winning player and an elitist. It's called douchebaggery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoo View Post
    There is a distinct line between a winning player and an elitist. It's called douchebaggery.
    This is a cop-out.

    Just because people outperform you, they are douchebags?

    I am not one to say anything deragatory to anyone regarding my successes. But I play to be better than the rest, and instantly I'm labaled a "douchebag" because I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game?

    That's just silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    This is a cop-out.

    Just because people outperform you, they are douchebags?

    I am not one to say anything deragatory to anyone regarding my successes. But I play to be better than the rest, and instantly I'm labaled a "douchebag" because I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game?

    That's just silly.
    Being better than people doesn't make you a douchebag. Statements that make you come across as a douchebag make you a douchebag. See above. "But I play to be better than the rest" "I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game"

    People call people douches for acting like douches. Not because they have more stuff.

    Gear swapping is not needed. Its part of your strategy to find the best gear set for the content you are attetmpting. It at least would add some kind of dynamics to this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    Being better than people doesn't make you a douchebag. Statements that make you come across as a douchebag make you a douchebag. See above. "But I play to be better than the rest" "I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game"

    People call people douches for acting like douches. Not because they have more stuff.

    Gear swapping is not needed. Its part of your strategy to find the best gear set for the content you are attetmpting. It at least would add some kind of dynamics to this game.
    Bolded your last couple sentences there.

    I guess that puts me in the status of Douchebaggery then. My kind is a dying breed it seems. I like playing games for the competition aspect. The fight to stay at the top, and work at bettering myself and those in my company.

    It's so very discourage watching the MMO industry turning into an amusement park for casual players who just want to hang out online with minimal to no competition between players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    Bolded your last couple sentences there.

    I guess that puts me in the status of Douchebaggery then. My kind is a dying breed it seems. I like playing games for the competition aspect. The fight to stay at the top, and work at bettering myself and those in my company.

    It's so very discourage watching the MMO industry turning into an amusement park for casual players who just want to hang out online with minimal to no competition between players.
    Ever thought of playing games to have fun ?

    My breed of people must be extinct lol.

    All i want out of an MMO a game is to have fun, RELAX (caps because that bits really important) and enjoy the fantasy world of MMORPGs.

    What I dont want

    A second job
    Being told I am "i am not good enough"
    that I HAVE to be online at certain times of day or I will be kicked for inactivity

    Maybe its just me, but using derogatory arguments and being a "Cyber Bully" is very closely linked to competitiveness and "elitist" attitudes.

    My opinion is you should strive to better yourself for yourself and your own feeling of achievement - a true elitist NOT shout from the roof tops about how amazing you are - fake elitist

    I don't know where i am going with this but I just felt like wasting 10 mins at work
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    I feel the basis of an MMO is specialization. Its why a BLM does things differently than a PLD. Should a WHM be a tank? No- its not supposed to be optimal at healing not tanking.

    Most of the jobs have stances that switch them between different forms. These are whats supposed to be your slight changes from one form of optimal to another. These all have certain cooldowns/requirements that set paces from what you can do.

    You are not supposed to be optimal for every situation from second to second. If you build full defense you should not be able to go 1 second- full offense- 1 second full defense again.

    Also what does it really add to gameplay? You hit a macro- like your probably do now. You arent more skilled for it. You hit the same button for X. It just has a few more lines before it now. If its for the gear you worked hard to show everyone on the internet- that can be accomplished with preplanning like now.


    For those wanting to keep armor for long periods a couple of things.
    1. If its just emotional reasons please think of materia as the way to hold on to your armor. If i was a little more crazy I could make a family tree of my armor.

    2. To hope you can keep it forever if gear swaps exist is a bit of a false presumption. The nature of an MMO means you will most likely change it every other update. What I would say is leveling needs to be a bit slower so you feel a need to get that armor rather than in the time i take to deal with it would be less than just pushing through (though often this is the case anyway even in longer run games).

    3. Some people would count switching in new armor as a plus. I didnt particularly like using pretty much the same shoes 1-70 in ffxi. Variety can be a nice thing too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    This is a cop-out.

    Just because people outperform you, they are douchebags?

    I am not one to say anything deragatory to anyone regarding my successes. But I play to be better than the rest, and instantly I'm labaled a "douchebag" because I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game?

    That's just silly.
    No, you would be a douchebag when/if you decide that you're so awesome you have the right to tell other people how much they suck and how you're so much better than them.

    Being a better player doesn't make you elitist, being a self-righteous asshole does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    This is a cop-out.

    Just because people outperform you, they are douchebags?

    I am not one to say anything deragatory to anyone regarding my successes. But I play to be better than the rest, and instantly I'm labaled a "douchebag" because I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game?

    That's just silly.
    Agree / had this same problem with people thinking I'm a douchebag, which I'm not. I just state the facts and people don't like it sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    . I just state the facts and people don't like it sometimes.
    That is the definition of a douchbag...fyi...

    ie: ppl who are NOT douchbags use, manners, conversation, constructive critisim (sp?), and praise , they praise A lot of good behavior....in order to communicate rather than just stating the FACTS .....which btw you should know that FACTS don't exist....

    René Descartes look it up...

    anyhow on topic....

    If ppl want to gear swap to make a dull game more exciting then hey go ahead what do I care.....just don't bark at me if I donlt do it....

    Why? Am I lazy...yep....

    Is it too much trouble to carry all that gear...yep

    Do I give a crap about the fact that I can heal for .0009 more hp if I swap hats before I cast cure.....nope...

    Lets get real, the truth is gear swapping in ANY game (fyi there are only like 4 games that even allow it) has very marginal benefit that is some ppl's opinion isn't worth the hassel.

    If in your opinon it is worth the hassel, then fine do it, but if you think I SHOULD do it then you have crossed into D-bag land...
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    Last edited by JakeRoon; 04-13-2012 at 06:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeRoon View Post
    That is the definition of a douchbag...fyi...

    ie: ppl who are NOT douchbags use, manners, conversation, constructive critisim (sp?), and praise , they praise A lot of good behavior....in order to communicate rather than just stating the FACTS .....which btw you should know that FACTS don't exist....

    René Descartes look it up...

    anyhow on topic....

    If ppl want to gear swap to make a dull game more exciting then hey go ahead what do I care.....just don't bark at me if I donlt do it....

    Why? Am I lazy...yep....

    Is it too much trouble to carry all that gear...yep

    Do I give a crap about the fact that I can heal for .0009 more hp if I swap hats before I cast cure.....nope...

    Lets get real, the truth is gear swapping in ANY game (fyi there are only like 4 games that even allow it) has very marginal benefit that is some ppl's opinion isn't worth the hassel.

    If in your opinon it is worth the hassel, then fine do it, but if you think I SHOULD do it then you have crossed into D-bag land...
    Descartes came to an incomplete conclusion, IMO. My laptop doesn't think, yet it very much does exist or you would not be reading this post. The only way one can prove to themselves that they exist is through thought, I will agree with him there. While Descartes conducted a very interesting thought experiment indeed, his conclusions are chock full of circular logic that doesn't add up as soon as it is analyzed objectively.

    I bet you weren't expecting that answer were you Jake. :P
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    Last edited by Molly_Millions; 04-13-2012 at 06:27 AM.

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