Thread: Labyrinth Raid Required for 5.3 MSQ?

Originally Posted by Frizze

Cid was absolutely a wipe machine back in the day. And because people suck, abandon votes would pop up. I still stand 100% behind the statement that he could be done blind by an average group with communication and patience. He sticks to his pattern hard, so each mechanic you solve and get past moves you deeper into the fight. Each of his moves has a 5+ second windup. After the initial doom, he shows you the difference between the 3 sword swings(the order is random, but they have a visual and audio tell). And while he has a relatively large number of moves(cleansable debuff followed by tankbuster, chasing aoe puddles, passable tether with vuln debuff attack, etc), i only remember 3 of them being raid wipes. If Duskblade(3 people stand in the circle on either side of the group positions) was failed, it tended to end in a wipe. If Shadowblade(growing orbs) was failed, the bleed tended to be a fight ender. And Icewolf(kill the add in your area before it bursts) could be survived if one group failed, but 2 or 3 explosions at once would be fatal damage. Solving the attacks wasnt even the biggest problem at launch, it was that you needed at least half of each party to play at an acceptable level for the approx 10 minutes that the fight took. A full group incapable of doing duskblade meant you couldnt get past. A wiped group when he does the 6 orb shadowblade means that the surviving groups will have 2 extra puddles to safely drop, and might not be able to run fast enough to get to the safe zone. And yeah, he was nerfed to hell. I saw a group in the last mogtome event get 4 bleeds out of one shadowblade(the guy from one group dropped his puddle between the puddles of two people from another group that did it right) and the DoT was managable for the healers. The damage on a failed duskblade is much smaller now, and the burst adds dont pose much of a threat(on top of the fight usually being over by the time they spawn).

I cleared Cid blind on day one in a group of 20+ new players from the duty finder. It took a few pulls, but we managed just fine. Fight, fail, communicate, win. And the hardest CT boss is still miles easier then even nerfed Cid, so again - for the scared new people - this talk of a tough boss doesnt apply to what youre being asked to do. Nothing in the CT raids requires even half the team to play well or know what theyre doing. A single tank who knows where to stand the boss is honestly enough for like 7 of the 12 bosses between the 3 raids, and its astronomically rare(like almost statistically impossible) to get a group where no one knows and no one can solve the mechs for the other fights.

....what?? it was nothing like that

Seems like someone thinks that those old and dusty 24-man raids that only require you to have 1 braincell to complete in about 20 minutes are the same as Savage raids. Luckily, it's not the case. I don't think SE would lock people out of MSQ with extremely hard content.


Also I don't understand why CT quests weren't a requrement to start 5.0. Considering that we get a bit of extra lore and extra FEELS during ShB with the additional dialog options if we complete CT quests before doing 5.0 MSQ it's really a shame that a lot of people missed them and probably don't even know those additional dialogs exist.

Originally Posted by Lumivyory

Also I don't understand why CT quests weren't a requrement to start 5.0. Considering that we get a bit of extra lore and extra FEELS during ShB with the additional dialog options if we complete CT quests before doing 5.0 MSQ it's really a shame that a lot of people missed them and probably don't even know those additional dialogs exist.

It definitely seems like pre-5.0 would have been the better point to force it - though I wonder if they always intended to make it a requirement for future plot or only made their mind up on that bit later once the story was well-received.

Anyway, at least it's required much earlier now - being required before you complete 2.X - so it won't be a problem for future players. I also noticed they tweaked the cutscene viewer so the "reflect quest progression" setting is on by default, so it'll play (essentially) the canon version of the scene automatically instead of only if you remember to turn it on.

all I can add is that syrcus tower is faster than some expert roulettes.

Originally Posted by Jalin

....what?? it was nothing like that

It sounded about right to me, what wasn't like that? Thundergod was like a coinflip at launch in whether it was going to go well or not.

Originally Posted by Stepjam

It sounded about right to me, what wasn't like that? Thundergod was like a coinflip at launch in whether it was going to go well or not.

Didnt seem like that to me

Originally Posted by Stepjam

It sounded about right to me, what wasn't like that? Thundergod was like a coinflip at launch in whether it was going to go well or not.

Everything else I've seen that person post is blatant trolling, so I wouldn't put too much effort into understanding what they're getting at.

Originally Posted by Stepjam

It sounded about right to me, what wasn't like that? Thundergod was like a coinflip at launch in whether it was going to go well or not.

The fight not going well didnt mean the run was automatically doomed, but yeah it was probly close to a coinflip. Either no major issues with him(bumpy fight? sure, but still a win), or a probable wipe followed by a /shout Does everyone know mechs?

I do understand apprehension to raids, for example if you came from WOW or something.

But FF14 alliance raid at least up to SB generally is face roll content. The bosses that do require strategy have been done many times by most people in the raid. The queues are very fast around reset.

It’s just not that big of a deal and it’s actually very epic and some of them are really fun. You might die, get res and die again, but this happens to everyone so I say go with some friends and enjoy the epic FF bosses.

Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin

you shouldn't have any trouble doing it.

In order to start 2.x quests new players must complete this content.

What happens if they dont have a schedule that allows them to play during peak hours? What happens if they sit in 1, 2, 3 hour queue's and still cant enter.

Its a 24 man raid, not something you can easily solo, or undersize or even enter if you arent playing during busy hours.

They literally can never continue the main story. This was a very bad choice in my opinion.