Thread: Labyrinth Raid Required for 5.3 MSQ?

The only way someone is sitting in a "1, 2, 3 hour queue" for these is if theyre playing on a japanese data center server and dont have japanese selected as a matching language. Even the euro servers dont get that long when you dont add extra languages.

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

In order to start 2.x quests new players must complete this content.

What happens if they dont have a schedule that allows them to play during peak hours? What happens if they sit in 1, 2, 3 hour queue's and still cant enter.

Its a 24 man raid, not something you can easily solo, or undersize or even enter if you arent playing during busy hours.

They literally can never continue the main story. This was a very bad choice in my opinion.

You might get a 1+ hour queue for something like weeping city, but not for crystal tower. A: Its now MSQ mandatory meaning lots of new players will need to run it and B:many older players deliberately lower their ilvl so they can only run CT raids for alliance roulette meaning they inflate the amount of players that WILL be running it (and contributes to HW and SB's longer queue times for their raids)

Its not as issue for crystal tower. This should not be a serious roadblock for anyone

Originally Posted by MistakeNot

The Crystal Tower raids pop fairly regularly even outside peak hours. Granted, if you only play during early morning or so it can be hard to find people for them - but that would be the case for every other dungeon and raid in the game as well.
But if your playing hours are always like that, you should transfer to a server better matching your time. With servers in Japan, North America, and Europe, you can always find some server that is pretty busy at any given hour.

While you can't solo all the raids, you certainly can do most of them undersized. Find three level 80 friends, and they should have little trouble carrying you through all the Crystal Tower raids.

It would probably be simpler to just dutyfind LOTA considering you need 12 people minimum to clear

Originally Posted by Frizze

The only way someone is sitting in a "1, 2, 3 hour queue"

Are you sure that’s “the only way” ?

Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Find three level 80 friends, and they should have little trouble carrying you through all the Crystal Tower raids.

So basically what I’m gathering from both of these responses is you are unable to see how this is a problem at all? You think it’s a great choice?

I have numerous characters in FFXIV and FFXI.

I can easily see in 2-4 years time this being a impossible issue. Dungeons can be solo’d I haven’t tried solo’ing Crystal tower raids because the glamor isn’t that good to warrant it.

With that said, it locks you out of the entire story which means no leveling dungeons or FATEs or any means to level outside of roulettes.

The player or alt will be level 50. They will have no way to progress unless they can manage to find people who will do this and I assure you level 99’s won’t be eager to help them.

Basically you are fine with FFXIV instantly dying once the current player base is finished with the game?

Basically, no it’s not an issue “right now.” But I have a little more foresight than current day.

What’s going to happen during content lulls. Which are extremely frequent. What’s going to happen in 1, 2, 4 years?

They will have to either change the raids design, add trusts, change the quest this locks you (say change it to 5.0 instead of 3.0) so the player has a better chance and understanding of XIV as a whole, or... bury the MMO entirely.

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Basically, no it’s not an issue “right now.” But I have a little more foresight than current day.

What’s going to happen during content lulls. Which are extremely frequent. What’s going to happen in 1, 2, 4 years?

They will have to either change the raids design, add trusts, change the quest this locks you (say change it to 5.0 instead of 3.0) so the player has a better chance and understanding of XIV as a whole, or... bury the MMO entirely.

If it should turn out, 4 years down the line, that it is way too hard to find people for Crystal Tower raids, then I am pretty sure the devs will come up with a fix - possibly making a soloable version of the CT raids, or more likely, adding extra rewards for them so people will run them.

Originally Posted by Stepjam

Edit: Also I feel MOST players who actually want to play the game are less likely to think "Oh god, more to do" and more likely to think "Oh cool, 24 people? That's new!" At least I know that's how I felt. I can imagine some people being initially turned off by it being called a "raid" but beyond that, I'm sure most players will be excited for a change of pace.

Prettymuch this.

The game was exciting as a new player, and post-ARR is where it suddenly opens up. So many new dungeons! Sidequests! Trials! Things are new and different and I wanted to try them out.

That's not to say the game isn't enjoyable now, but it's harder to get that same thrill of excitement from something completely new that you haven't approached before. The excitement comes more from the lore side than the new-gameplay side.

Labyrinth seems dull and rote to us when we've done it so many times, but walking in there for the first time is great - the music is epic and you're at the head of a small army.

Originally Posted by Stepjam

Edit: Also I feel MOST players who actually want to play the game are less likely to think "Oh god, more to do" and more likely to think "Oh cool, 24 people? That's new!" At least I know that's how I felt. I can imagine some people being initially turned off by it being called a "raid" but beyond that, I'm sure most players will be excited for a change of pace.

I'm defs one of those players that was curious why my MSQ quest marker was red and upon finding out (through Google and not through any of the in game material), that I have to regress to an ARR raid due to a dev thinking it'd be a "cool call back", instead of making it just a side quest thing that players invested in the story want, got tilted and groaned "Oh god, more to do!..." Unfortunately, (bad game dev design aside) I now have to queue up for a Duty Roulette, I considered just Party Finding an undersized, non-synced party, but unfortunately, Atomos requires multiple people and can't be 3-manned.

I frankly could care less about the story at this point. I had high hopes for "Weaboo Adventures" (Stormblood), but instead got a garbled back and forth mess that could have used more time, clarity and a different path than was taken. But I was fine, I thought I could just plow through ShB and get to End Game content with my FC, now I have to find a time that a majority of them are on, in order to do content because "this will be a cool callback", or chill in queue while watching the new end game Extremes on Youtube.

So, just like how every Mentor mentions to the party to look up the current fight on YT, can we get the general player base to remind fresh 50's to do LotA to avoid further groans and moans, or at least have devs make it mandatory at 50 cause "Oh cool, 24 people? That's new!".

-Cheers

Originally Posted by doGehT

So, just like how every Mentor mentions to the party to look up the current fight on YT, can we get the general player base to remind fresh 50's to do LotA to avoid further groans and moans, or at least have devs make it mandatory at 50 cause "Oh cool, 24 people? That's new!".

-Cheers

it already is required to pass into HW though, that same change was made when it was made required to do 5.3 MSQ. So you're asking them to do what they already did.