Yo-Kai event (2020)

[yotsuffy]

I don't know, you're the one saying BLU in FATES is an exploit and isn't allowed.

Nope.
Never said that.
You're not even the first one trying to put words in my mouth.

And you know it.

I mean, except for when you did say it back on page 10 of this thread.

And quotes me:

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Ok, just for you, I'll quote this:

So using BLU is an exploit?
Then thousands of players should be banned because running aurum vale as blue to get these grind tokens is unfair and forbidden.

Why haven't I see a single complaint about that?
A right, because you were happy to have a blu in your group who reduces the time needed for for a run to under 10 min.

Wanna rephrase myself? What about this:

Playing is the abuse of an exploit.

At least if you want to put words I didn't say in my mouth, do it as stupidly as possible.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

And we're back to obsfucating and pretending people misinterpreted you.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

You said it, you didn't quote anyone and we're replying to them, no one changed the quote to twist what you said. No one's putting any words you didn't say in your mouth. They came straight from the source.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

[yotsuffy]

And we're back to obsfucating and pretending people misinterpreted you.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

You said it, you didn't quote anyone and we're replying to them, no one changed the quote to twist what you said. No one's putting any words you didn't say in your mouth. They came straight from the source.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Ahh okay. You really can't read.
I mean, you might be deciphering the letters but you don't understand the words they form!

I was going to say this: "Quoting someone partially to make him say something other than what he says in his full speech is ... at a minimum ... bad faith."

But, in fact, you don't understand what you're reading!

If someone says:

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

you really think it means the same as:

Playing BLU is the abuse of an exploit.

I am sorry. You don't understand it, but all those extra words that are in the first sentence and not in the second make these two sentences not say the same thing at all!

Likewise, we can effectively give weight to something by repeating it, but we cannot make it change meaning by repeating it. I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[TheMightyMollusk]

So, what, playing BLU for easy FATEs isn't an exploit, but playing with BLU spells for easy FATEs is an exploit? I think you're arguing yourself into a corner here.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Ahh okay. You really can't read.
I mean, you might be deciphering the letters but you don't understand the words they form!

I was going to say this: "Quoting someone partially to make him say something other than what he says in his full speech is ... at a minimum ... bad faith."

But, in fact, you don't understand what you're reading!

If someone says: you really think it means the same as:

I am sorry. You don't understand it, but all those extra words that are in the first sentence and not in the second make these two sentences not say the same thing at all!

Likewise, we can effectively give weight to something by repeating it, but we cannot make it change meaning by repeating it. I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.

1. I quoted the whole post. Here's the link to the post itself (because apparently the one included with the quote system isn't enough) so people can see you're blatantly lying and arguing in bad faith: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5408471

2. Everyone knows exactly what you mean and no one's misrepresenting it, so kindly cut that crap. You're saying "Using i.e.: Missile on a FATE is the abuse of an exploit", it's completely wrong and no one said you were saying something else anyway.

3. I can read fine. But apparently you can't argue something on the forums without shifting goalposts and lying through your teeth constantly . You went from drop rates of the medals, to FATEs being overhunted, to BLU players being Zodiark incarnate because it seems you were expecting to have FATEs all to yourself with 100% medal drop rates.

4. You just shot all credibility and goodwill you might have had, by claiming someone who quoted one of your posts integrally is quoting you partially to change the context of what you said.

[Ranaku]

So, what, playing BLU for easy FATEs isn't an exploit, but playing with BLU spells for easy FATEs is an exploit? I think you're arguing yourself into a corner here.

I mean i can understand it, using your rockets to kill a bossfate with 3 hits alone so nobody else can get it is a really shitty move.

But using the other bluemage skills isn't that bad.

So it's clear what the person there tries to say:

Doom -> Bossfate -> Only you getting the reward -> Bad

Normal skills -> Bossfate -> All players getting the reward -> Good


I am against exluding blues in general but adjusting fates so the bosses can't be doomed or killed with the launcher doesn't seem to be that bad, blues could still use their other overpowered sets but all other players would have a chance to also get gold, seems like the best compromise here but i have not much hope that SE will do anything in time.

[Vahlnir]

I am against exluding blues in general but adjusting fates so the bosses can't be doomed or killed with the launcher doesn't seem to be that bad, blues could still use their other overpowered sets but all other players would have a chance to also get gold, seems like the best compromise here but i have not much hope that SE will do anything in time.

Yeah, this is honestly all that should be done. They've got plenty more in their toolkit to use, arguably more than everyone else. I, too, am against locking BLU out of ARR fates. Some small adjustments are all that is needed. Fate enemies are already immune to Death/Doom/etc from HW onward. Making ARR Fates work the same isn't that big of a deal at all.

[Dogempire]

Why don't you just level BLU yourself, grab Missile, Ram's Voice and Dragon's Voice and just enjoy the event like the rest of us?

Just my personal opinion, but BLU is a half-baked niche job that isn't worth the effort of leveling, especially since the only time in recent memory that it's actually useful is one-shotting fates for this one event that will be irrelevant pretty soon.

Yo-Kai event and being a completionist aside, there's not really a use for BLU since you can't even take it into duty finder or do any actually relevant content with it.

[Shougun]

The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003


I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.

Might of misinterpreted me, I was being an upset child at their inconsistent messaging and design not arguing your quotes. If it's designed for solo play then it would make sense the job's structure and quality would revolve around that but it absolutely doesn't. You have to party to have the tools to make your job have mechanical interest. Best spells, most important spells, most engaging spells behind party play. Designed for solo but required parties. Worst type, imo, of party (PF) too so you have to lock up your schedule (I feel bad leaving a group that's almost put together). Like they say they made it this way for original blue spells yet fire angon is clearly nerfed, angel whisper is the worst of all FF, and the reason is obvious so they can make party content and not because of original blue. Restricted from party content due to balance but required to party to be even vaguely compare-able in quality of design to a normal job. Meant for solo, ha ha ha ha. Clearly the job's structure was made for party content, even carnival, the solo bit, greatly benefits from the party side.



Wasn't laughing at your quotes was laughing, bitterly through gritted teeth, at SE's choices- you can navigate and snake through it all and say they didn't lie but I still think of their messaging at best as confused and at worst as dishonestly (can't party because balance, made for solo, we are going to require it to party to be most interesting form and put exclusive content to it, for original blue spells but we are going to nerf some because it would break our party play, etc, etc 'wat.jpg').

Laughing like a child- I know, that's me here lol.

Also not really against ensuring blue mages can't tail screw mess with FATEs during events, so probably more on your side then you think. Except maybe how what we think of blue, obviously I think they did poorly. Although also on the side that says under normal cases blue should be able to doom FATEs because their limited value and whole purpose for being this way. I think when stuff is quiet it would be better for blue if even less stuff is immune- but when it's not then more.

So enjoy, or loathe me, as I both try to protect, while being concerned about other player's experience, and throw copious amounts of dirt at this job . . . Lol.

[Bsrking5]

Wow, this thread has a ton of post. Blues doing blues stuff isn't an exploit. If doom/death, tail screw, missile had their own resist I'd agree to fate bosses being immune to doom/death and tail screw. But missile is just fine with the current set not immune. Even if blues aren't in the area they die really quickly with zerg rush. Later on it won't be an issue. Launcher is just fine as well. Also, im pretty sure doom/death doesn't give any fate credit by itself, or if it does, not enough to get bronze for sure.