Yo-Kai event (2020)

[yotsuffy]

"Meant to be enjoyed in solo environments":



Without other people you get 1/4 of your job's best value, if that.

Besides the strictly party based reward mount, you also have most spells that add mechanical value and interest behind party content, without party content you miss out on a lot of power and mechanics. Very lamed blue mage if you skip that party step. And so far has been most popularly used in parties to expedite grinds like this FATE one or moogle tomestones. So yeah. Lol.



Even though I'll probably still want to salt the earth about blue mage my more logical and 'for the best of whatever 'this is supposed to be'' side wants to suggest that such a change is a switch for FATE events. Because taking it away entirely will remove one of it's few 'nice to have' values. I don't think it would be ideal, given situations where things are quiet at least, to have everything be immune to one of the key reasons blue mage exists in the state it does currently (doom, tail screw, lv5 death, missile, etc).

Just my tortured imo though lol.

The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003

Blue mage will not be able to use the Duty Finder, but you can enter an instance with a premade party. For example, you could form a light party of four blue mages, and each could play a different role. One player could take defensive spells and play the tank role, another could take restorative spells and play the healer role. This allows for a very fun, unique playing experience.

It may prove useful to register multiple Active Sets based on what role you’ll be playing.

I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003


I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.

You still haven't quoted the one where they say "BLU is forbidden from one-shotting FATEs and doing such will be considered greefing"

You can quote a 1000 quotes and it still doesn't contradict the fact that the devs haven't made changes regarding that since BLU's introduction. It's. Not. Broken. Neither. An. Exploit.

[yotsuffy]

You still haven't quoted the one where they say "BLU is forbidden from one-shotting FATEs and doing such will be considered greefing"

And why would they say such a thing? That's what makes BLU fun to play! All the crazy skills you can play with.

Strangely, you dodge the "competition with other classes/jobs" part.
Are you really, that much, in bad faith?


edit: I also forgot to remind you the "balance of the game being broken" competition part in FATE farming events!

[JohnSpawnVFX]

And why would they say such a thing? That's what makes BLU fun to play! All the crazy skills you can play with.

Strangely, you dodge the "competition with other classes/jobs" part.
Are you really, that much, in bad faith?

I don't know, you're the one saying BLU in FATES is an exploit and isn't allowed. Now you backpedal saying "well, devs would never say it loud.". Because I'm sure they would go to the length of not saying what isn't allowed or what's an exploit just so people play BLU. Î mean, they sure have shutted up about Ungarmax and haven't punished anyone for using it, so that people would use it freely... /s

You're asking me if I'm arguing in bad faith? You, who's been fishing for quotes stating somehow you shouldn't use BLU for FATEs, when no such thing was ever implied? Who's twisting quotes of "you could form a party" into "you're not allowed to solo FATEs"? Who's making up that it's an exploit but the devs wouldn't say it out loud for fear of alienating players?

You realized people have already told you that one solution to your "issue" is partying with a BLU, right? But I guess missing out on the event because you're too busy demonizing BLU players and looking for quotes the whole day is more important.

Edit: I also forgot to remind you yet again that Devs haven't patched FATEs to be BLU-proof for years

[yotsuffy]

I don't know, you're the one saying BLU in FATES is an exploit and isn't allowed.

Nope.
Never said that.
You're not even the first one trying to put words in my mouth.

And you know it.

Now you backpedal saying "well, devs would never say it loud.". Because I'm sure they would go to the length of not saying what isn't allowed or what's an exploit just so people play BLU. Î mean, they sure have shutted up about Ungarmax and haven't punished anyone for using it, so that people would use it freely... /s

You're asking me if I'm arguing in bad faith? You, who's been fishing for quotes stating somehow you shouldn't use BLU for FATEs, when no such thing was ever implied? Who's twisting quotes of "you could form a party" into "you're not allowed to solo FATEs"? Who's making up that it's an exploit but the devs wouldn't say it out loud for fear of alienating players?

You realized people have already told you that one solution to your "issue" is partying with a BLU, right? But I guess missing out on the event because you're too busy demonizing BLU players and looking for quotes the whole day is more important.

Edit: I also forgot to remind you yet again that Devs haven't patched FATEs to be BLU-proof for years

Again, the issue is only people playing BLU while in competition with other players and other classes/jobs.
Because BLU is overpowered and thus is a limited job.

And you know it.

People playing BLU is nice, I said it many times already. I even suggested something to allow everyone to participate in this event peacefully.

And you know it.

So, bad faith. I maintain.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Nope.
Never said that.
You're not even the first one trying to put words in my mouth.

And you know it.

I mean, except for when you did say it back on page 10 of this thread.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

[Shougun]

The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003


I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.

Might of misinterpreted me, I was being an upset child at their inconsistent messaging and design not arguing your quotes. If it's designed for solo play then it would make sense the job's structure and quality would revolve around that but it absolutely doesn't. You have to party to have the tools to make your job have mechanical interest. Best spells, most important spells, most engaging spells behind party play. Designed for solo but required parties. Worst type, imo, of party (PF) too so you have to lock up your schedule (I feel bad leaving a group that's almost put together). Like they say they made it this way for original blue spells yet fire angon is clearly nerfed, angel whisper is the worst of all FF, and the reason is obvious so they can make party content and not because of original blue. Restricted from party content due to balance but required to party to be even vaguely compare-able in quality of design to a normal job. Meant for solo, ha ha ha ha. Clearly the job's structure was made for party content, even carnival, the solo bit, greatly benefits from the party side.



Wasn't laughing at your quotes was laughing, bitterly through gritted teeth, at SE's choices- you can navigate and snake through it all and say they didn't lie but I still think of their messaging at best as confused and at worst as dishonestly (can't party because balance, made for solo, we are going to require it to party to be most interesting form and put exclusive content to it, for original blue spells but we are going to nerf some because it would break our party play, etc, etc 'wat.jpg').

Laughing like a child- I know, that's me here lol.

Also not really against ensuring blue mages can't tail screw mess with FATEs during events, so probably more on your side then you think. Except maybe how what we think of blue, obviously I think they did poorly. Although also on the side that says under normal cases blue should be able to doom FATEs because their limited value and whole purpose for being this way. I think when stuff is quiet it would be better for blue if even less stuff is immune- but when it's not then more.

So enjoy, or loathe me, as I both try to protect, while being concerned about other player's experience, and throw copious amounts of dirt at this job . . . Lol.