Yo-Kai event (2020)

[StriderShinryu]

Being considerate is one thing and thats fine to ask. But more and more people are becoming belligerent about BLU even existing. See the other thread which is literally "Dont allow limited classes to do event." Which is exactly what I pointed out was the end result of all this foolishness. And yeah, youre spot on. Having a flight mount gives you a hard advantage over people who dont have one, or having AoE abilities. But lets not worry about that and keep saying BLU is the problem.

I agree completely. Is BLU an advantage for the event? Absolutely, even if no instant kill attacks are used simply because of ease of access to various AoEs. But the travel speed issue was probably a bigger problem from what I observed. As a pugilist (who doesn't get an AoE until level 26 and has no gap closer early on, and no ranged attack at all), I was frequently getting to FATEs late and struggling to even land more than a few hits before the FATE ended, and that was even in cases where it didn't appear any or many in the FATE zerg were using BLU.

I can totally understand those who enjoy BLU wanting more things to do with it's unique toolset and this event sort of/kind of does bring that to the table. It's just not a balanced event at all for newer players or lower level players for various reasons and BLU is only part of that equation.

To me, a fairer compromise would be to have the BLU instant kill attacks not work on the boss FATEs and maybe bump up the participation reward for players who are closer to the proper level for the FATE itself so that even if they can only get a few whacks in they're more likely to get a higher participation ranking.

[Shougun]

Ho I didn't even highlight this when I quote the Live Letter:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4829920

Well, this event, with BLUs around, shows a good example of balance of the game being broken.

"Meant to be enjoyed in solo environments":



Without other people you get 1/4 of your job's best value, if that.

Besides the strictly party based reward mount, you also have most spells that add mechanical value and interest behind party content, without party content you miss out on a lot of power and mechanics. Very lamed blue mage if you skip that party step. And so far has been most popularly used in parties to expedite grinds like this FATE one or moogle tomestones. So yeah. Lol.

To me, a fairer compromise would be to have the BLU instant kill attacks not work on the boss FATEs and maybe bump up the participation reward for players who are closer to the proper level for the FATE itself so that even if they can only get a few whacks in they're more likely to get a higher participation ranking.

Even though I'll probably still want to salt the earth about blue mage my more logical and 'for the best of whatever 'this is supposed to be'' side wants to suggest that such a change is a switch for FATE events. Because taking it away entirely will remove one of it's few 'nice to have' values. I don't think it would be ideal, given situations where things are quiet at least, to have everything be immune to one of the key reasons blue mage exists in the state it does currently (doom, tail screw, lv5 death, missile, etc).

Just my tortured imo though lol.

[ACE135]

I'm rather sad that they nerfed the event and reduced the required amounts of Medals so much.

[yotsuffy]

"Meant to be enjoyed in solo environments":



Without other people you get 1/4 of your job's best value, if that.

Besides the strictly party based reward mount, you also have most spells that add mechanical value and interest behind party content, without party content you miss out on a lot of power and mechanics. Very lamed blue mage if you skip that party step. And so far has been most popularly used in parties to expedite grinds like this FATE one or moogle tomestones. So yeah. Lol.



Even though I'll probably still want to salt the earth about blue mage my more logical and 'for the best of whatever 'this is supposed to be'' side wants to suggest that such a change is a switch for FATE events. Because taking it away entirely will remove one of it's few 'nice to have' values. I don't think it would be ideal, given situations where things are quiet at least, to have everything be immune to one of the key reasons blue mage exists in the state it does currently (doom, tail screw, lv5 death, missile, etc).

Just my tortured imo though lol.

The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003

Blue mage will not be able to use the Duty Finder, but you can enter an instance with a premade party. For example, you could form a light party of four blue mages, and each could play a different role. One player could take defensive spells and play the tank role, another could take restorative spells and play the healer role. This allows for a very fun, unique playing experience.

It may prove useful to register multiple Active Sets based on what role you’ll be playing.

I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003


I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.

You still haven't quoted the one where they say "BLU is forbidden from one-shotting FATEs and doing such will be considered greefing"

You can quote a 1000 quotes and it still doesn't contradict the fact that the devs haven't made changes regarding that since BLU's introduction. It's. Not. Broken. Neither. An. Exploit.

[yotsuffy]

You still haven't quoted the one where they say "BLU is forbidden from one-shotting FATEs and doing such will be considered greefing"

And why would they say such a thing? That's what makes BLU fun to play! All the crazy skills you can play with.

Strangely, you dodge the "competition with other classes/jobs" part.
Are you really, that much, in bad faith?


edit: I also forgot to remind you the "balance of the game being broken" competition part in FATE farming events!

[JohnSpawnVFX]

And why would they say such a thing? That's what makes BLU fun to play! All the crazy skills you can play with.

Strangely, you dodge the "competition with other classes/jobs" part.
Are you really, that much, in bad faith?

I don't know, you're the one saying BLU in FATES is an exploit and isn't allowed. Now you backpedal saying "well, devs would never say it loud.". Because I'm sure they would go to the length of not saying what isn't allowed or what's an exploit just so people play BLU. Î mean, they sure have shutted up about Ungarmax and haven't punished anyone for using it, so that people would use it freely... /s

You're asking me if I'm arguing in bad faith? You, who's been fishing for quotes stating somehow you shouldn't use BLU for FATEs, when no such thing was ever implied? Who's twisting quotes of "you could form a party" into "you're not allowed to solo FATEs"? Who's making up that it's an exploit but the devs wouldn't say it out loud for fear of alienating players?

You realized people have already told you that one solution to your "issue" is partying with a BLU, right? But I guess missing out on the event because you're too busy demonizing BLU players and looking for quotes the whole day is more important.

Edit: I also forgot to remind you yet again that Devs haven't patched FATEs to be BLU-proof for years

[yotsuffy]

I don't know, you're the one saying BLU in FATES is an exploit and isn't allowed.

Nope.
Never said that.
You're not even the first one trying to put words in my mouth.

And you know it.

Now you backpedal saying "well, devs would never say it loud.". Because I'm sure they would go to the length of not saying what isn't allowed or what's an exploit just so people play BLU. Î mean, they sure have shutted up about Ungarmax and haven't punished anyone for using it, so that people would use it freely... /s

You're asking me if I'm arguing in bad faith? You, who's been fishing for quotes stating somehow you shouldn't use BLU for FATEs, when no such thing was ever implied? Who's twisting quotes of "you could form a party" into "you're not allowed to solo FATEs"? Who's making up that it's an exploit but the devs wouldn't say it out loud for fear of alienating players?

You realized people have already told you that one solution to your "issue" is partying with a BLU, right? But I guess missing out on the event because you're too busy demonizing BLU players and looking for quotes the whole day is more important.

Edit: I also forgot to remind you yet again that Devs haven't patched FATEs to be BLU-proof for years

Again, the issue is only people playing BLU while in competition with other players and other classes/jobs.
Because BLU is overpowered and thus is a limited job.

And you know it.

People playing BLU is nice, I said it many times already. I even suggested something to allow everyone to participate in this event peacefully.

And you know it.

So, bad faith. I maintain.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Nope.
Never said that.
You're not even the first one trying to put words in my mouth.

And you know it.

I mean, except for when you did say it back on page 10 of this thread.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Hallmark of bad faith arguing: "I never said that, even though I did say it some pages ago."

Inb4 they go and edit it out.