Yo-Kai event (2020)

[yotsuffy]

I don't know, you're the one saying BLU in FATES is an exploit and isn't allowed.

Nope.
Never said that.
You're not even the first one trying to put words in my mouth.

And you know it.

I mean, except for when you did say it back on page 10 of this thread.

And quotes me:

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Ok, just for you, I'll quote this:

So using BLU is an exploit?
Then thousands of players should be banned because running aurum vale as blue to get these grind tokens is unfair and forbidden.

Why haven't I see a single complaint about that?
A right, because you were happy to have a blu in your group who reduces the time needed for for a run to under 10 min.

Wanna rephrase myself? What about this:

Playing is the abuse of an exploit.

At least if you want to put words I didn't say in my mouth, do it as stupidly as possible.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

And we're back to obsfucating and pretending people misinterpreted you.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

You said it, you didn't quote anyone and we're replying to them, no one changed the quote to twist what you said. No one's putting any words you didn't say in your mouth. They came straight from the source.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

[yotsuffy]

And we're back to obsfucating and pretending people misinterpreted you.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

You said it, you didn't quote anyone and we're replying to them, no one changed the quote to twist what you said. No one's putting any words you didn't say in your mouth. They came straight from the source.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

Ahh okay. You really can't read.
I mean, you might be deciphering the letters but you don't understand the words they form!

I was going to say this: "Quoting someone partially to make him say something other than what he says in his full speech is ... at a minimum ... bad faith."

But, in fact, you don't understand what you're reading!

If someone says:

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

you really think it means the same as:

Playing BLU is the abuse of an exploit.

I am sorry. You don't understand it, but all those extra words that are in the first sentence and not in the second make these two sentences not say the same thing at all!

Likewise, we can effectively give weight to something by repeating it, but we cannot make it change meaning by repeating it. I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Ahh okay. You really can't read.
I mean, you might be deciphering the letters but you don't understand the words they form!

I was going to say this: "Quoting someone partially to make him say something other than what he says in his full speech is ... at a minimum ... bad faith."

But, in fact, you don't understand what you're reading!

If someone says: you really think it means the same as:

I am sorry. You don't understand it, but all those extra words that are in the first sentence and not in the second make these two sentences not say the same thing at all!

Likewise, we can effectively give weight to something by repeating it, but we cannot make it change meaning by repeating it. I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.

1. I quoted the whole post. Here's the link to the post itself (because apparently the one included with the quote system isn't enough) so people can see you're blatantly lying and arguing in bad faith: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5408471

2. Everyone knows exactly what you mean and no one's misrepresenting it, so kindly cut that crap. You're saying "Using i.e.: Missile on a FATE is the abuse of an exploit", it's completely wrong and no one said you were saying something else anyway.

3. I can read fine. But apparently you can't argue something on the forums without shifting goalposts and lying through your teeth constantly . You went from drop rates of the medals, to FATEs being overhunted, to BLU players being Zodiark incarnate because it seems you were expecting to have FATEs all to yourself with 100% medal drop rates.

4. You just shot all credibility and goodwill you might have had, by claiming someone who quoted one of your posts integrally is quoting you partially to change the context of what you said.

[TheMightyMollusk]

So, what, playing BLU for easy FATEs isn't an exploit, but playing with BLU spells for easy FATEs is an exploit? I think you're arguing yourself into a corner here.

[Ranaku]

So, what, playing BLU for easy FATEs isn't an exploit, but playing with BLU spells for easy FATEs is an exploit? I think you're arguing yourself into a corner here.

I mean i can understand it, using your rockets to kill a bossfate with 3 hits alone so nobody else can get it is a really shitty move.

But using the other bluemage skills isn't that bad.

So it's clear what the person there tries to say:

Doom -> Bossfate -> Only you getting the reward -> Bad

Normal skills -> Bossfate -> All players getting the reward -> Good


I am against exluding blues in general but adjusting fates so the bosses can't be doomed or killed with the launcher doesn't seem to be that bad, blues could still use their other overpowered sets but all other players would have a chance to also get gold, seems like the best compromise here but i have not much hope that SE will do anything in time.

[Vahlnir]

I am against exluding blues in general but adjusting fates so the bosses can't be doomed or killed with the launcher doesn't seem to be that bad, blues could still use their other overpowered sets but all other players would have a chance to also get gold, seems like the best compromise here but i have not much hope that SE will do anything in time.

Yeah, this is honestly all that should be done. They've got plenty more in their toolkit to use, arguably more than everyone else. I, too, am against locking BLU out of ARR fates. Some small adjustments are all that is needed. Fate enemies are already immune to Death/Doom/etc from HW onward. Making ARR Fates work the same isn't that big of a deal at all.

[Deceptus]

I mean i can understand it, using your rockets to kill a bossfate with 3 hits alone so nobody else can get it is a really shitty move.

But using the other bluemage skills isn't that bad.

So it's clear what the person there tries to say:

Doom -> Bossfate -> Only you getting the reward -> Bad

Normal skills -> Bossfate -> All players getting the reward -> Good


I am against exluding blues in general but adjusting fates so the bosses can't be doomed or killed with the launcher doesn't seem to be that bad, blues could still use their other overpowered sets but all other players would have a chance to also get gold, seems like the best compromise here but i have not much hope that SE will do anything in time.

Problem is without those massively overpowered abilities BLU is reduced to a job with multiple 220 potency skills that are largely copies of each other.

That's it. That's all they are. Sure their OGCD primal skills are good, but those are on CD's and there's only 4 available at any time.

The whole point of BLU is supposed to be finding enemy weaknesses and exploiting them. Because elemental weakness doesn't exist in the overworld the only other weakness to exploit is status or instant kill.

[yotsuffy]

So, what, playing BLU for easy FATEs isn't an exploit, but playing with BLU spells for easy FATEs is an exploit? I think you're arguing yourself into a corner here.

I'll try to summerize what I see to be the issue.

Let's say I play BLU.

Why would I play BLU? My guess is I do because:
- unique gameplay.
- All skills always available.
- Skills power.

The counterpart for this overall overpower that could potentially break the balance of the game is I can't play BLU in many content. But I can do FATEs. This is even the content I am supposed to do!

Now, let's say we're before 5.3:

I'm playing BLU. I'm having a break from other classes/jobs and I just wanna enjoy BLU. So I go out and start killing everything I find. I test skills, I test combos and then... KAPOW! CRASH! BAM! VRONK!

And after a while I stop and play some other class/job.

Well, there is already a potential issue here.
With my BLU, I'm doing solo content, I chase the world while most other players run instanced content and still there is a potential issue here.
A potential theoratical issue.

Let's consider some nice random fellow one moment. For some log or Mark hunt, he's waiting at a FATE spot. He knows his target shows up within a FATE and he's waiting for that FATE to pop. He's been waiting for some time so he's chatting, getting a coffee, checking web pages... Anything that implies he's not ready to engage the FATE at the very moment it pops. But, hey, it's just a FATE, no one is around. What could possibly go wrong? He's at the FATE's location!

Now here I come.

I'm spraying rampage and disaster over every FATEs I encounter. No one is around, the map is mine and I'm enjoying my BLU as much as I can imagine. Then one rare FATE pops right on me! I look around, see no one engaging it... KAPOW! CRASH! BAM! VRONK!

And here I'm gone.

And our nice random fellow just saw it's long awaited FATE vanish before he could even take his controller back.

Now, let's say we're 5.3 day1:

The very first event implying FATEs I can do since BLU exists! (I honestly don't know. Let's say instead: )
The very first event implying FATEs I can do since I can play BLU!
THE VERY FIRST EVENT I CAN DO WITH MY BLU!
We can all imagine the unstoppable smile distorting my face, can we?
And we can all imagine the impatience, the urgency that I feel at the idea of being able, finally !, to play an event WITH MY BLU!

Why would I wait?! Why should I wait? Could you wait?

The rest, we know it.

BLUs can KAPOW! CRASH! BAM! VRONK! while others can, well, not.

The issue is this:

This FATE farming event looks like an event specifically meant for players to enjoy BLU. (And enjoy the "flying everywhere" that came along with.)
It's an event where BLUs can shine doing all their skills.
But it is not an event for BLUs. Like any previous events, it is for all players.

Having BLUs and others share an event breaks the balance of the game.

Asking BLU players not to use all of their skills is like asking them not to take full advantage of their BLU. It could limit the balance issue, sure, but at the cost of BLU players just not enjoying it.

Asking non-BLU players to play BLU or to group with BLU is not a solution either.

Asking anyone to wait is not a solution either. Whether it is day1 or in a month, the issue will remain.

Hence this:

What could be nice for everyone is something like this:
- 1st week of event: BLU can't do it;
- 2nd week: BLU can;
- 3rd week: BLU can't;
- 4th week: BLU can;
And so on.
It would be official, there would be time for everyone and no reason to complain.

Having BLUs and others share an event breaks the balance of the game. Having BLUs and others each have their own time grants everyone the possibility to fully enjoy the event.

[Bsrking5]

Wow, this thread has a ton of post. Blues doing blues stuff isn't an exploit. If doom/death, tail screw, missile had their own resist I'd agree to fate bosses being immune to doom/death and tail screw. But missile is just fine with the current set not immune. Even if blues aren't in the area they die really quickly with zerg rush. Later on it won't be an issue. Launcher is just fine as well. Also, im pretty sure doom/death doesn't give any fate credit by itself, or if it does, not enough to get bronze for sure.