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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    "Meant to be enjoyed in solo environments":



    Without other people you get 1/4 of your job's best value, if that.

    Besides the strictly party based reward mount, you also have most spells that add mechanical value and interest behind party content, without party content you miss out on a lot of power and mechanics. Very lamed blue mage if you skip that party step. And so far has been most popularly used in parties to expedite grinds like this FATE one or moogle tomestones. So yeah. Lol.



    Even though I'll probably still want to salt the earth about blue mage my more logical and 'for the best of whatever 'this is supposed to be'' side wants to suggest that such a change is a switch for FATE events. Because taking it away entirely will remove one of it's few 'nice to have' values. I don't think it would be ideal, given situations where things are quiet at least, to have everything be immune to one of the key reasons blue mage exists in the state it does currently (doom, tail screw, lv5 death, missile, etc).

    Just my tortured imo though lol.
    The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
    Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003
    Blue mage will not be able to use the Duty Finder, but you can enter an instance with a premade party. For example, you could form a light party of four blue mages, and each could play a different role. One player could take defensive spells and play the tank role, another could take restorative spells and play the healer role. This allows for a very fun, unique playing experience.

    It may prove useful to register multiple Active Sets based on what role you’ll be playing.
    I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yotsuffy View Post
    The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
    Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003


    I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.
    You still haven't quoted the one where they say "BLU is forbidden from one-shotting FATEs and doing such will be considered greefing"

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    You can quote a 1000 quotes and it still doesn't contradict the fact that the devs haven't made changes regarding that since BLU's introduction. It's. Not. Broken. Neither. An. Exploit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yotsuffy View Post
    The "solo-BLU is nonsense" argument...
    Ok, so another Live Letter quote, just for you:
    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4850003


    I know Live Letters are well hidden and obscure to read (sarcasm) but, still, don't ignore what developpers say again and again about BLU.

    Might of misinterpreted me, I was being an upset child at their inconsistent messaging and design not arguing your quotes. If it's designed for solo play then it would make sense the job's structure and quality would revolve around that but it absolutely doesn't. You have to party to have the tools to make your job have mechanical interest. Best spells, most important spells, most engaging spells behind party play. Designed for solo but required parties. Worst type, imo, of party (PF) too so you have to lock up your schedule (I feel bad leaving a group that's almost put together). Like they say they made it this way for original blue spells yet fire angon is clearly nerfed, angel whisper is the worst of all FF, and the reason is obvious so they can make party content and not because of original blue. Restricted from party content due to balance but required to party to be even vaguely compare-able in quality of design to a normal job. Meant for solo, ha ha ha ha. Clearly the job's structure was made for party content, even carnival, the solo bit, greatly benefits from the party side.



    Wasn't laughing at your quotes was laughing, bitterly through gritted teeth, at SE's choices- you can navigate and snake through it all and say they didn't lie but I still think of their messaging at best as confused and at worst as dishonestly (can't party because balance, made for solo, we are going to require it to party to be most interesting form and put exclusive content to it, for original blue spells but we are going to nerf some because it would break our party play, etc, etc 'wat.jpg').

    Laughing like a child- I know, that's me here lol.

    Also not really against ensuring blue mages can't tail screw mess with FATEs during events, so probably more on your side then you think. Except maybe how what we think of blue, obviously I think they did poorly. Although also on the side that says under normal cases blue should be able to doom FATEs because their limited value and whole purpose for being this way. I think when stuff is quiet it would be better for blue if even less stuff is immune- but when it's not then more.

    So enjoy, or loathe me, as I both try to protect, while being concerned about other player's experience, and throw copious amounts of dirt at this job . . . Lol.
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    first post edited with my results.
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    Ho I didn't even highlight this when I quote the Live Letter:
    Blue Mage is the first "Limited Job" coming to FFXIV. A Limited Job is a job that is meant to be enjoyed in a solo environment and is not suited for parties.

    We believe one of the unique traits of the blue mage is the ability to learn and use the monster's abilities that could potentially break the balance of the game. In order to bring out this uniqueness as much as possible, we have made the Blue Mage into a Limited Job that can be enjoyed alone. By Learning, you can enjoy collecting the abilities and also mixing abilities for different situations. The concept behind the blue mage in FFXIV was based on making these three core features possible.
    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4829920

    Well, this event, with BLUs around, shows a good example of balance of the game being broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yotsuffy View Post
    Ho I didn't even highlight this when I quote the Live Letter:

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4829920

    Well, this event, with BLUs around, shows a good example of balance of the game being broken.
    Yes, that's why they also made sure BLU couldn't break the balance of FATEs. Oh wait...

    You can quote a 1000 quotes and it still doesn't contradict the fact that the devs haven't made changes regarding that since BLU's introduction. It's. Not. Broken. Neither. An. Exploit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yotsuffy View Post
    Ho I didn't even highlight this when I quote the Live Letter:

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4829920

    Well, this event, with BLUs around, shows a good example of balance of the game being broken.
    That comment was in why it's a Limited Job and couldn't do instanced content with other players. This is not instanced content.
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    Mostly cause nobody was doing fates anyway. xD Now that the new stuff is hot all the lazy people who didn't pushed their blue will cry for a while and next week all zones are ded again like usual. But oh boy we need to do something about this horrible bluemage masacre now cause players have it maybe harder for some days to farm fates.
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    I'm rather sad that they nerfed the event and reduced the required amounts of Medals so much.
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    Hallmark of bad faith arguing: "I never said that, even though I did say it some pages ago."

    Inb4 they go and edit it out.
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